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Title: Added a Juki to the Family
Post by: Mojo on August 10, 2011, 09:40:31 PM
I ended up buying that Juki 563 from Monterey Boat Company. I had consulted with Bob about it and he indicated it would be an awesome back up / second machine for the shop. He felt $ 400 for the head, table and a motor was a great deal.

I got it home and cleaned it all up. Blew the entire thing out with air and cleaned the table, motor, etc. I managed to get it threaded ( first top loading bobbin I have ever seen in person ) and sewed a little with it.
I learned one thing real fast - I do NOT like clutch motors. It is a shame because its a new motor. After sewing on a servo and having amazing control with it the jack rabbit starts of these clutch motors drive me nuts. I will be having Bob ship me a new servo very soon.

I was glad to see the Made In Japan plate on the machine. I have heard they are very high quality machines.

Isn't there a couple people on here who own a 563 ? Any tips ?

Chris
Title: Re: Added a Juki to the Family
Post by: Gregg @ Keystone Sewing on August 10, 2011, 09:47:46 PM
Mojo,

Lu563 is one of the most popular walking foot machines over the last 25 years.  You in good company with that now sought after machine.  Juki made three different frames, last model was the lu563n.  The n was not so improved, but more common to see the older ones.  Parts genuine and generic are easy to obtain.  I know you have a good guy to assist, but good luck with the machine, you have a winner, even if its not working. 
Title: Re: Added a Juki to the Family
Post by: sofadoc on August 10, 2011, 10:05:03 PM
Isn't there a couple people on here who own a 563 ? Any tips ?
Bob T is a 563 guy. I sewed on a 562 for over 20 years (smaller bobbin-only difference).
You REALLY gotta hold on to the thread to start sewing. It seems like top loaders are more prone to thread wrapping around the bobbin.
I was surprised to see how much bigger the widest stitch length was on my 1508 compared to the 562 (almost twice).
How does the widest setting on your 563 compare with your Chandler? 
Title: Re: Added a Juki to the Family
Post by: Mojo on August 10, 2011, 10:39:39 PM
Doc:

Funny you mention about holding onto the thread on the top load machines. Bob lectured me about that today and said " you have to hold the threads when you start sewing or you will bugger up the hook assembly. He was right as I forgot to do that. :)

It sews real nice and is smooth running but I have had little time to play with the stitch adjustments or anything else. This is an " N " model but I have no idea how old it is. Heck I have no idea what the " N " designation means. I was able to locate a manual for it on the internet but the pictures are terrible.

Once I get the chance to play around with it and read through the manual I will report back on it. I told Bob today that I was glad he recommended buying it. That way if anything goes wrong with it I can blame him.......lol...... I like the machine I just hate that frigging clutch motor.  ;D

I told my wife " hey honey, I bought you a new machine today ". She took one look at it and said " I am a seamstress not a dang upholsterer ". She did say she was going to do some sewing for me to help me get caught up. She has sewed on my Chandler making leather purses and picked up on it real fast and really likes that machine. But when she sat down at the Juki tonight she wasn't ready for that jack rabbit start and ran the material right out past the needle. I tried not to laugh as I could see she was not impressed with the motor...... LOL

One other thing, I hate hearing that motor run all the time. I am so used to things being quiet when I am not stitching. This motor wont be around much longer. :)

Chris
Title: Re: Added a Juki to the Family
Post by: Bob T on August 10, 2011, 11:22:16 PM
I have a 563 and I'm a big fan of the machine.  I've sewn some amazing stuff with it and I'm always pleased with the job it does.   I second the idea to hold the threads on the first two or three stitches.  For lockstitch, I usually back up for the first two stitches then go forward.  Great machine!  I've had it maybe 8 or 9 years and have never once knocked it out of time.   It makes tough sewing easy.
Title: Re: Added a Juki to the Family
Post by: Mojo on August 11, 2011, 06:07:28 AM
Paul & Kody:

They have 2 more Juki's left ( $ 400 each ). They are right down the road from you Kody on 121 in Williston. :)

Chris
Title: Re: Added a Juki to the Family
Post by: Gregg @ Keystone Sewing on August 11, 2011, 06:23:10 AM
Latest style before they were discontinued, Juki LU563N (N=New style) is white in color, compared to the older model that's gold/greenish color.  N means that they have changed some of the parts and components on the machine from the original.  Non of the most common parts, like feet, feed, plate, needle bar, hook, or anything most would pay attention to have been changed, most changes are in the bed, specifically to the reverse mechanism, that I can think of off hand.  Why did they change parts out, I have no idea, as the original was pretty darn solid.  Either way, you should be just as happy with either or model.

Chirs,
As mentioned, the stitch length on the LU-563N is going to be about half (5 SPI I belive) that your Chandler CM406RB-1.  Just so that you know nothing is wrong with the Juki!  New model that Superseeds this, the LU-1508N has a longer SPI, just like your Chandler.  Also, if you are getting Jack Rabbit starts, try to losen the belt tension on the motor.  If it's too tight, it will go from 0-60 in 1.2 sec.!  People have been using standard clutch motors for over fifty years, and they offer some control on the low end, if you get used to it.  Just so long as they don't have a 5" OD pulley or a 3450RPM motor, then I can't help!  But not many would think so, but a tight belt will do this on a clutch motor while engaging the clutch.

Here's the parts book, Owners Manual to follow later where I have copy on my work computer;
http://www.keysew.com/Webpages/DemoImages/LU-562N-3Parts.pdf (http://www.keysew.com/Webpages/DemoImages/LU-562N-3Parts.pdf)

Title: Re: Added a Juki to the Family
Post by: Mike8560 on August 11, 2011, 06:32:58 AM
AtsTHAt's a great machine I've got a juki copy of my singer.
I really love the top load on the bobbin plate inmiunt a binder /folder to the plate when I'm not binding I remove it at replace with a empty plate. Much better then the swing away where the mount is still in the way swung away
Title: Re: Added a Juki to the Family
Post by: Gregg @ Keystone Sewing on August 11, 2011, 06:40:11 AM
AtsTHAt's a great machine I've got a juki copy of my singer.
I really love the top load on the bobbin plate inmiunt a binder /folder to the plate when I'm not binding I remove it at replace with a empty plate. Much better then the swing away where the mount is still in the way swung away

Some parts and componnets are the same and simular on a Juki LU-562/3, to that of a Singer 111W155, but they are very different machines in many respects, and just so there is no confusion, it's not an exact part for part copy.  Consew 225, for example, now THAT's an exact Seiko manufactered copy, part for part, screw for screw of the Singer 111W155.

Not to be a know it all, but just so folks do try to rely on this information and come up with the wrong parts or owners information.  BUT yes, they have a lot in common for sure.
Title: Re: Added a Juki to the Family
Post by: Toledo Mach. Sales on August 11, 2011, 06:53:09 AM
Chris,
 Congrats on the new (used) machine I'm sure your gonna like it.
Just a heads up for you & anyone else,one of the improvements on the machine was to eliminate the oil hole for the bushing on the bottom shaft on the far right side.We just had a 563 N come in that was tied up & had to pull the lower shaft out buff off the shaft & polish the bushing.
SO you need to put some oil on it,probably the best way would be to take the head out of the table,stand it up on the flywheel end,take the collar off the shaft & put some oil on it & turn it around alittle so it can work into it & put the collar back on.I think maybe once a month would be more than enough.
We've sold alot of these & this is the first one but I doubt if it'll be the last.
Greg,Have you seen this happen yet?
Bob
Title: Re: Added a Juki to the Family
Post by: Mojo on August 11, 2011, 07:01:37 AM
One of the reasons I bought this Juki was because all of my bobbins, attachments and feet for my Chandler can be used on the Juki. I considered a Pfaff and an Adler but did not want the added headache and expense of buying all new attachments, etc. and anything for an Adler and Pfaff are twice the price for the other machines. ( Those Germans are very proud of their parts ). :)

When I decided to buy a second machine I wrote down my wants and needs and then started searching according to that. 1.) Walking foot  2.) Good quality machine 3.) Compatible with my Chandler 4.) Fairly easy to work on and adjust.

If anyone is looking for a used machine I advise you to contact Bob or Greg and have them help you with your decision. I wasn't going to make a move and buy a machine without running it past Bob first and thank God I did because he saved me from making a very stupid purchase. :)  I am sure Greg would be just as helpful and would gladly help you with your decision on a used machine if you told em your current set-up.

Bob knew what my other machine was because I bought it from him so he knew which machines to steer me towards and away from. I know both Bob and Greg are in the business to sell new machines but Bob put his needs aside and helped me and I am sure Greg would do the same. There is nothing wrong with consulting the experts first before making a decision like that.

Overall I think I made a good decision and I believe I paid a very fair price for the machine.

Chris
Title: Re: Added a Juki to the Family
Post by: Mike8560 on August 11, 2011, 07:15:01 AM
You got go break  you wife in quick
mojo ;)
say where is the moterey plant ?
Title: Re: Added a Juki to the Family
Post by: Gregg @ Keystone Sewing on August 11, 2011, 09:10:31 AM
Chris,
 Congrats on the new (used) machine I'm sure your gonna like it.
Just a heads up for you & anyone else,one of the improvements on the machine was to eliminate the oil hole for the bushing on the bottom shaft on the far right side.We just had a 563 N come in that was tied up & had to pull the lower shaft out buff off the shaft & polish the bushing.
SO you need to put some oil on it,probably the best way would be to take the head out of the table,stand it up on the flywheel end,take the collar off the shaft & put some oil on it & turn it around alittle so it can work into it & put the collar back on.I think maybe once a month would be more than enough.
We've sold alot of these & this is the first one but I doubt if it'll be the last.
Greg,Have you seen this happen yet?
Bob

Bob,

      YES, I've seen quite a few things with NEW, from factory issues with the new and not so improved parts and components of the LU-563Ns.  Things that you would normally never see on the older frames.  Come to think of it, I've seen more hardly used, non working LU-563Ns for repair because they were not working out of the box than used working ones.  Quite surprising for Juki standards.  Keep in mind I'm not talking about dozens of machines here.  The run on LU-563N was short lived, compared to the earlier frames, and I've only come accross a small number of them.  Don't recall that we sold a lot of them, either, for whatever reason at that time. 

     LU-563N IS A GOOD, VERY GOOD machine, not bashing here.  Anybody who has one should feel lucky to have one.  It's kind of like when Singer went from the 111W series to the 211 series; they made a lot of changes that were also not so improved.  The reverse hammers, safety clutches incorporated into the stitch length adjustments on some models, very questionable engineering, and non better than their predecessor.

     Anyway, here is the owners book;  http://keysew.com/Webpages/DemoImages/JukiLU-562-3Owners.pdf (http://keysew.com/Webpages/DemoImages/JukiLU-562-3Owners.pdf)
Title: Re: Added a Juki to the Family
Post by: Mojo on August 11, 2011, 09:54:13 AM
Greg:

Thanks for that manual. That is a MUCH better copy then I have. I couldn't see the pics in the other one I got.

I just got off the phone with Bob and he talked me through the setup of the Juki. I bet Bob wished I would have bought my machine from you so I wouldn't drive him crazy like I do. :)

Since I had him on the phone I also ordered a new servo and belt and cannot wait till it gets here. Have I told ya'll how much I hate clutch motors ?............lol......

The Juki I have is definitely an N model but is that hammered grey color. All their 563's were grey. The factory where I got it must have done a great job of keeping this machine oiled because it was loaded with oil all over it and underneath. It looked like it took a bath in oil. I did what Bob said and set the head on the pulley and removed that collar and oiled it. Pretty simple job but dang these heads weigh a ton.

Chris
Title: Re: Added a Juki to the Family
Post by: Gregg @ Keystone Sewing on August 11, 2011, 12:03:26 PM
Greg:

Thanks for that manual. That is a MUCH better copy then I have. I couldn't see the pics in the other one I got.

I just got off the phone with Bob and he talked me through the setup of the Juki. I bet Bob wished I would have bought my machine from you so I wouldn't drive him crazy like I do. :)

Since I had him on the phone I also ordered a new servo and belt and cannot wait till it gets here. Have I told ya'll how much I hate clutch motors ?............lol......

The Juki I have is definitely an N model but is that hammered grey color. All their 563's were grey. The factory where I got it must have done a great job of keeping this machine oiled because it was loaded with oil all over it and underneath. It looked like it took a bath in oil. I did what Bob said and set the head on the pulley and removed that collar and oiled it. Pretty simple job but dang these heads weigh a ton.

Chris


Now I think about it, I DO remember seeing some of the honey color N models.  Again, I haven't seen hundreds of these N models flying around.  The white are the newer ones, but again, I think I remember the white ones being the ones showing up with out of the box problems.  
Title: Re: Added a Juki to the Family
Post by: Mike8560 on August 11, 2011, 12:41:12 PM
VeI've got a " N" model I've used some singer parts on it

It will take larger bobbing  u and m I think the m was bigest   
I'm. Just used to the g bobbins with my singer
Title: Re: Added a Juki to the Family
Post by: Mojo on August 11, 2011, 02:54:52 PM

Now I think about it, I DO remember seeing some of the honey color N models.  Again, I haven't seen hundreds of these N models flying around.  The white are the newer ones, but again, I think I remember the white ones being the ones showing up with out of the box problems.  

Were the white ones Japanese made or Chinese made ? Or are all the Juki's made in Japan ? I know my N model is Japanese made but was wondering about the rest.

Chris
Title: Re: Added a Juki to the Family
Post by: Mike8560 on August 11, 2011, 05:04:46 PM
I've got a 263N that's white it's tag says made in Japan also
Title: Re: Added a Juki to the Family
Post by: gene on August 11, 2011, 07:56:52 PM
Hello,

I have a Juki L-562. Now, I know what you L-563 guys are thinking, but it's not the size of the bobbin that counts, it's what you can do with it.  ;D

I oil my machine each time I sit down to sew. I oil all the red holes.

Do I need to ever oil anything under the machine? My manual indicates places to oil underneath but it doesn't seem to make sense to me.

Thank you,

gene
Title: Re: Added a Juki to the Family
Post by: Gregg @ Keystone Sewing on August 11, 2011, 08:02:34 PM

Do I need to ever oil anything under the machine? My manual indicates places to oil underneath but it doesn't seem to make sense to me.

Thank you,

gene

Yes, of course you do.  Hook, hook driving gear, anything that looks like it moves.  Some oil holes down there, too.  Also open up the face plate cover, as well, and do the same. 
Title: Re: Added a Juki to the Family
Post by: gene on August 11, 2011, 08:14:15 PM
Thanks Gregg, I'm glad I asked. And I will take the time to figure it out and oil away.

I think that I assumed that since I didn't fully understand the diagram, it must not be important. Wow. How many times does this faulty logic cause problems?

gene
Title: Re: Added a Juki to the Family
Post by: sofadoc on August 11, 2011, 08:57:06 PM
Hey Gene, did you ever solve that "gathering" problem?
Title: Re: Added a Juki to the Family
Post by: Gregg @ Keystone Sewing on August 11, 2011, 09:10:53 PM
Oil every four hours of use or if machine has sat idle for some time.

All Lu 563 are made in Japan, as well as 1508 and 1541 series.  Some juki are made in China today, all are clearly marked as to country of manufacture. 
Title: Re: Added a Juki to the Family
Post by: christwo on August 12, 2011, 12:33:49 PM
Not that it is relevant to anything but just curious, Greg do you know how much the 562 weighs? I seen in the features page for the 280L its gross weight is 35.2 kg (about 78 pounds) and I just wanted to know how the 562 compares but cannot find its weight in the owners manual.
Title: Re: Added a Juki to the Family
Post by: Mojo on August 12, 2011, 12:53:30 PM
They all weight alot. Enough to give you a hernia anyways...:)

It is going to be close to 48 KG. The newer 1508 weighs 48 kg and that is the later 563 model.

Chris
Title: Re: Added a Juki to the Family
Post by: christwo on August 12, 2011, 01:09:35 PM
Oh boy! lol. Yeah I wondered just because I always was curious how much it weighed after having to carry it about 200 feet from the car to my shop! Wow that is significantly lighter then the Nakajima 280L (DNU-241 as well I imagine)
Title: Re: Added a Juki to the Family
Post by: sofadoc on August 12, 2011, 02:15:20 PM
I never weighed them, but I've toted them, and I would guess that my 1508 head weighs almost twice as much as my old 562 head .
Title: Re: Added a Juki to the Family
Post by: bobbin on August 12, 2011, 02:25:02 PM
I can't carry the head for my 1541-N-7.  I could handle the 562, but I won't even attempt to move the 1541 alone. 
Title: Re: Added a Juki to the Family
Post by: BigJohn on August 12, 2011, 03:42:25 PM
Chris looks to me like you did good!
Title: Re: Added a Juki to the Family
Post by: gene on August 12, 2011, 05:47:16 PM
Sofadoc,

My gathering problem appears to be caused by running too light a fabric on the machine. When I hand turn the wheel, the foot that goes up in the air and then comes back toward the operator pulls the thread back toward the operator a bit, and this causes the fabric to be pulled back toward the walking foot.

On thicker fabric, vinyl, or leather, I can see the thread tighten, but the fabric does not pull back with the foot.

My other machine, a Zoje 8500, which is the same as a Juki 8500 straight stitch, I can sew leather and silk with no problem, just a bit of changing the thread tension. Occasionally I will need to use a thinner needle and thinner thread.

gene
Title: Re: Added a Juki to the Family
Post by: sofadoc on August 12, 2011, 05:48:41 PM
Hey Christwo, if you go toting that 562 head around, remember that one of the 2 setscrews on the handwheel is missing (if you haven't already replaced it by now). So if you grab it by the handwheel, make sure the ONE setscrew is good and tight. Otherwise, it may slip off while you're carrying it.
Then, the 562 won't be the only walking foot that's broken (the other one will be at the end of YOUR leg :o).
Title: Re: Added a Juki to the Family
Post by: christwo on August 12, 2011, 06:18:07 PM
HAHA! No that baby is settled in where she will spend her days for sometime. I wouldn't much want to tote it around unless absolutely necessary lol. That's allot of the reason I am getting that 280L because one the cost of shipping is probably pretty close to what I will be paying for the 280, and two, it seems logical preventative maintenance for not only the machine but my own psychical well being to leave her we she lay ha!
Title: Re: Added a Juki to the Family
Post by: Gregg @ Keystone Sewing on August 15, 2011, 08:12:24 AM
Hey Christwo, if you go toting that 562 head around, remember that one of the 2 setscrews on the handwheel is missing (if you haven't already replaced it by now). So if you grab it by the handwheel, make sure the ONE setscrew is good and tight. Otherwise, it may slip off while you're carrying it.
Then, the 562 won't be the only walking foot that's broken (the other one will be at the end of YOUR leg :o).

One screw is a round point, and falls onto the slot, the other is a flat point and falls onto the flat on the shaft.  You can check by setting one screw and removeing the other and checking down the hole with a flashlight.  You should have both in there, either way.
Title: Re: Added a Juki to the Family
Post by: kodydog on August 16, 2011, 08:00:35 AM
Paul & Kody:

They have 2 more Juki's left ( $ 400 each ). They are right down the road from you Kody on 121 in Williston. :)

Chris

Thanks Chris. I'd be nice to have another machine in the shop. The Queen (wife) is the ruler of the one we have. Looking for a good deal on an industrial machine that can sew light weight material but powerful enough to occasionally sew something a little heavier.
I'll check out the one in Williston next time I'm that way.

Greg or Bob or anyone else who knows;
A guy in town just called and has a Consew 105 for sale. Clutch motor, table, feet and other parts included for $200. He used to sew pet beds, pot holders, and crafts. Is this a lighter weight machine than my Singer 111w155 and is this a good price? I searched it on the forum and couldn't find much info on it. Thanks.
Title: Re: Added a Juki to the Family
Post by: Toledo Mach. Sales on August 17, 2011, 07:15:59 AM
Yes, the 105 is a lighter duty machine than a 111w,$200.00 isn't a bad price if you can use it,it might come in handy for lighter stuff like drapes,slip covers & etc.
Bob
Title: Re: Added a Juki to the Family
Post by: kodydog on August 17, 2011, 12:34:54 PM
Prefect Bob. I'll look at it tomorrow. Thanks
Title: Re: Added a Juki to the Family
Post by: sofadoc on August 17, 2011, 04:50:58 PM
Kody: A while back, I posted a pic of my new arrangement with a Juki LU 1508, and a DDL-555 back-to-back. I sew lightweight non-welted stuff on the 555, and heavier and/or corded stuff on the 1508. It's been absolutely great so far.
I think you could achieve the same arrangement with the 111W and the Consew 105 that you're looking at.
Assuming that the Consew 105 is a similar class machine to the Juki 555, I think you would enjoy the added versatility. As Bobbin said, it really is gentler on thinner items that the 1508 tends to "eat up".
And I'm convinced that if my 1508 had to go in to the shop for a few days, I could "tough it out" with the 555 as my only back-up.
Title: Re: Added a Juki to the Family
Post by: Mojo on August 17, 2011, 06:39:36 PM
I know nothing about the 555. Is it a walking foot ? Needle feed ?

Just curious as I have seen a lot of these machines for sale. They are everywhere on the net it seems.

Chris
Title: Re: Added a Juki to the Family
Post by: BigJohn on August 17, 2011, 07:11:21 PM
From what I've read on the net the 555 is a straight stitch tailor type machine, not suitable for Canvas or Vinyl upholstery work
Title: Re: Added a Juki to the Family
Post by: sofadoc on August 17, 2011, 07:20:11 PM
I know nothing about the 555. Is it a walking foot ? Needle feed ?
No, not a walking foot. Just a high speed tailoring machine. the kind you might see in the back room of a dry cleaner for repairs, and alterations.
It will sew up to 69 thread, and up to denim weight.
There does seem to be a ton of them for sale on Craigslist, and the like.
I guess as clothes become more, and more disposable, the demand for such machines diminishes.
I never thought I would have any use for such a machine, but I've found it to be quite handy for lighter fabrics.
Title: Re: Added a Juki to the Family
Post by: Lmc530 on August 18, 2011, 06:15:37 AM
I am in the process of setting up my marine upholstery shop here in Branford, CT.. and was also thinking of getting a Juki as as second..

I bought my Consew from Greg and now I'm convinced that getting a Juki is a good decision.. so that being said.. I'm on a quest to find a decent used Juki as an addition to my shop..
Title: Re: Added a Juki to the Family
Post by: Tejas on August 19, 2011, 07:09:00 AM
My 111W155 has threaded holes below the right slide plate for mounting binders or a sewing fence. Looking at various photos of the Juki 563, it seems that these threaded holes are missing, and I'm wondering if that is correct.
Title: Re: Added a Juki to the Family
Post by: Mojo on August 19, 2011, 09:26:51 AM
My 111W155 has threaded holes below the right slide plate for mounting binders or a sewing fence. Looking at various photos of the Juki 563, it seems that these threaded holes are missing, and I'm wondering if that is correct.

Dave, The Juki 563 does have mounting holes. They are mounted to the left of the stitch button and towards the front. I wish I could take credit for finding them but your question got me curious and I had to call Bob to find them. He pointed them out to me.

They also make a needle plate with mounting holes that you can mount attachments on. They are pretty pricey though.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/JUKI-LU-562-LU-563-6-PC-BINDER-SET-111WBS-/300511020729?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item45f7da46b9#ht_840wt_952 (http://www.ebay.com/itm/JUKI-LU-562-LU-563-6-PC-BINDER-SET-111WBS-/300511020729?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item45f7da46b9#ht_840wt_952)

Chris
Title: Re: Added a Juki to the Family
Post by: Gregg @ Keystone Sewing on August 19, 2011, 10:10:56 AM
I know nothing about the 555. Is it a walking foot ? Needle feed ?
No, not a walking foot. Just a high speed tailoring machine. the kind you might see in the back room of a dry cleaner for repairs, and alterations.
It will sew up to 69 thread, and up to denim weight.
There does seem to be a ton of them for sale on Craigslist, and the like.
I guess as clothes become more, and more disposable, the demand for such machines diminishes.
I never thought I would have any use for such a machine, but I've found it to be quite handy for lighter fabrics.

This
Title: Re: Added a Juki to the Family
Post by: Mike8560 on August 19, 2011, 10:42:06 AM
Tense I mount my binder never use a fence o to the top plate and swicth out to a clean one when not
needed.  Wuick and easy and I've for nothng  in the way.
Title: Re: Added a Juki to the Family
Post by: Mojo on August 19, 2011, 11:39:17 AM
Mike:

let me make sure I have this correct. Your mounting your binder to the sliding needle plate and removing the plate and replacing it with a plain one when not needing a binder ?

Is this correct ?

If so do you have problems with the bottom of the screws getting caught on the bobbin thread ?

Chris
Title: Re: Added a Juki to the Family
Post by: BigJohn on August 19, 2011, 04:35:03 PM
Chris:
     Did you get your new servo motor and how do you like it, I expect you got that new model with the gear reduction built in.
                                  Big John
Title: Re: Added a Juki to the Family
Post by: Mojo on August 19, 2011, 05:35:22 PM
I did get the servo at th start of this week and installed it right away. Thankfully Bob got it shipped out right away because I was getting extremely aggravated with the clutch motor. I got the chance to sew with it and it sews perfectly. I love that servo.

Bob shipped me the same servo that I have on my Chandler. I believe he said they quit making that particular model ( figures ). I have had excellent luck with it and love the dial on the front to adjust the speed. Thankfully he still had a few in stock.

That motor is so quiet and on its low setting makes doing corners etc. a piece of cake. Life is good with a servo. :)

Chris
Title: Re: Added a Juki to the Family
Post by: christwo on August 19, 2011, 06:52:28 PM
How much did you pay for that Mojo?
Title: Re: Added a Juki to the Family
Post by: Mojo on August 20, 2011, 05:37:26 AM
I need to go back and look. I forgot what Bob charged me now. I just asked him if he had that Servo and when he said yes I said ship it. :) I think it was $ 135 or 139.

I cannot for the life of me figure out why they discontinued that particular servo. It is one of the easiest to use and Bob said he has had excellent luck with it. It has held up extremely well for his other customers.

I didn't want one that adjusts at the motor. This one has a separate box that faces the operator with a simple dial to adjust the speed. Next to that is a fuse and an on/off switch. It also comes with the remote on/off switch mounted next to the operator.  Great set-up and as I said earlier is very quiet.

Someone on here posted last year sometime that they went from the clutch to servo motor and seen a big difference in their electric bill. Makes sense since the clutch motor runs the whole time. The servo runs only when you press the pedal. :)

Chris

Title: Re: Added a Juki to the Family
Post by: Toledo Mach. Sales on August 20, 2011, 10:24:05 AM
Yes,we still have a few like Chris bought left,we also have a D.C.Servo w/a Digital readout that goes down to 100 rpm, for the same price of $135.00
+  ups.
Bob
Toledo Ind Sewing Mach Sales
1-866-362-7397
Title: Re: Added a Juki to the Family
Post by: christwo on August 20, 2011, 10:39:52 AM
I think I may be having to get one them soon.  I have never used a servor motor before, but it took me a bit of time to get the control of a clutch motor dialed, and still sometimes it is easy to get away from ya. I will say this though, once I had the clutch motor dialed, I became a much smoother driver as well! ha.
Title: Re: Added a Juki to the Family
Post by: Toledo Mach. Sales on August 20, 2011, 10:44:22 AM
These servos are alot more controllable than a clutchmotor as a matter of fact we hardly sell a machine anymore w/a clutchmotor.
Bob
Title: Re: Added a Juki to the Family
Post by: Gregg @ Keystone Sewing on August 20, 2011, 11:17:50 AM
Don't leave me out of the servo motor party either; http://www.mcssl.com/store/keysew/parts/industrial-sewing-machine-motors (http://www.mcssl.com/store/keysew/parts/industrial-sewing-machine-motors)

Recently updated BTW
Title: Re: Added a Juki to the Family
Post by: BigJohn on August 21, 2011, 02:18:51 PM
Chris:
      With the wheeled table and the servo installed I'd be interested in seeing a picture of your "new family member".
Title: Re: Added a Juki to the Family
Post by: Mojo on August 21, 2011, 03:11:47 PM
I will have to get one and post it for you John.

Chris
Title: Re: Added a Juki to the Family
Post by: Mojo on August 22, 2011, 06:13:36 AM
How much did you pay for that Mojo?


I forgot to add, if you do get a servo try and get one with the control panel that points towards you. If you look at some of the motors on Greg's site you will see some with the control box mounted under the motor. The ones without have the speed adjustment located on the motor itself and I believe that little knob is located on the end of the motor on the end housing ( left side ). It is hidden from view in the picture.

These are a PITA to adjust because it is hidden from view. I love my motor because the speed adjustment is easy to see and has easy access. I will sometimes reach down and adjust the speed to a lower setting when stitching a certain portion of a project then reach back down and turn it back up once I am past the bad spot. Very simple.

If its mounted on the control panel like mine it is easy to see and adjust. If it is on the end of the motor hidden from view then your going to have to get out of your chair and find it and adjust it, especially if your right handed.

Greg's picture didn't show the end of the motor so here is one that does so you can see what I am talking about. ( Page down a little to the motor description.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/CONSEW-CSM-550-Sewing-Machine-Electronic-Servo-Motor-/260836364879?pt=BI_Textile_Equipment&hash=item3cbb0f124f#ht_2744wt_952 (http://www.ebay.com/itm/CONSEW-CSM-550-Sewing-Machine-Electronic-Servo-Motor-/260836364879?pt=BI_Textile_Equipment&hash=item3cbb0f124f#ht_2744wt_952)

This is identical to the one I just bought from Bob and the same one I have on my Chandler. Notice the control panel is right on the front as is the fuse and secondary on/off switch. This makes it so much easier to adjust speeds versus getting on your hands and knees trying to find that little knob on the end of the motor on the other types of servos. I can reach down and turn it and because it has a positive click for each adjustment I can " feel " my way through it. I do not have to lean down. It is quick and easy.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/NEW-SILENT-SERVO-INDUSTRIAL-SEWING-MACHINE-MOTOR-LOOK-/360213517178?pt=UK_Crafts_Knitting_Crochet_EH&hash=item53de66137a#ht_951wt_1185 (http://www.ebay.com/itm/NEW-SILENT-SERVO-INDUSTRIAL-SEWING-MACHINE-MOTOR-LOOK-/360213517178?pt=UK_Crafts_Knitting_Crochet_EH&hash=item53de66137a#ht_951wt_1185)

So my suggestion is go with a servo with a forward facing control panel that has the speed adjustment mounted towards you.

Chris
Title: Re: Added a Juki to the Family
Post by: BigJohn on August 22, 2011, 10:12:25 AM
Mojo:
     Gregg sold me one that looked like that, it was called "Eagle" hence my post "The Eagle has Landed" when I received the eagerly awaited shipment from him. Unfortunately He stopped selling it several weeks later.
Title: Re: Added a Juki to the Family
Post by: christwo on August 22, 2011, 10:14:28 AM
Good to know, because I must admit that is one of the appealing factors is the easily accessible speed control.
Title: Re: Added a Juki to the Family
Post by: Mojo on August 22, 2011, 10:28:05 AM
I am to old to be crawling around underneath there to find that button on the end of the machine. It is in an awkward position I think. :)

The control box in the front is awesome. I love it. The machine in the E-Bay ad above is the exact one that I got from Bob and I can vouch for the motor. I have had great service with both of these motors. But like I said, Bob only has a couple left and he cannot get anymore. :( If you want one you better hurry. :)

Chris
Title: Re: Added a Juki to the Family
Post by: kodydog on August 22, 2011, 11:53:47 AM
Chris:
Just called Monteray Boat Company and they still have 2 Juki's left. I'll be in Gainesville tomorrow and will swing by Williston and look at them. My wife wants to know if it has a reverse bar and is this machine too heavy to sew light weight upholstery fabric like say Laura Ashley screen printed cotton without chewing it all up? I told her you do mostly awnings but maybe someone else can answer this question. Did you get to use the machine before you bought it?   
Title: Re: Added a Juki to the Family
Post by: scottymc on August 22, 2011, 03:24:31 PM
I am to old to be crawling around underneath there to find that button on the end of the machine. It is in an awkward position I think. :)

The control box in the front is awesome. I love it. The machine in the E-Bay ad above is the exact one that I got from Bob and I can vouch for the motor. I have had great service with both of these motors. But like I said, Bob only has a couple left and he cannot get anymore. :( If you want one you better hurry. :)

Chris

Speaking from experience, if he can't get anymore , then they probably don't make them anymore , so you can't get parts to fix'em.
Title: Re: Added a Juki to the Family
Post by: BigJohn on August 22, 2011, 04:54:22 PM
Wish I was close enough to take advantage of that $400 deal!
Title: Re: Added a Juki to the Family
Post by: sofadoc on August 22, 2011, 05:37:53 PM
I am to old to be crawling around underneath there to find that button on the end of the machine. It is in an awkward position I think.
My speed control knob is located on the motor. Much like stitchers who are used to bottom load bobbins, I can locate the speed control knob without even looking.
The first servo that I got from Gregg is an Eagle brand, It has 3 speed settings. The second one that I recently got from Gregg for my other machine has several speed settings. Again, I can blindly access the knob without crawling, or even looking for it.
So for me, having the speed control seperate from the motor is not a must.  But, if the new models have that feature for the same price, why not?
Title: Re: Added a Juki to the Family
Post by: sofadoc on August 22, 2011, 05:47:40 PM
My wife wants to know if it has a reverse bar and is this machine too heavy to sew light weight upholstery fabric like say Laura Ashley screen printed cotton without chewing it all up?
If we're still talking about a Juki LU-563, I have sewn lightweight fabrics on a similar class machine (562, 1508), but it ain't fun. I certainly wouldn't try anything lighter that a Laura Ashley cotton.
As Gregg has pointed out before, there are a few 563's that don't have reverse, but they aren't very common.
Title: Re: Added a Juki to the Family
Post by: Mojo on August 22, 2011, 06:19:14 PM
Kody:

The 563 is a heavy duty machine designed to sew medium to heavy weight fabrics. I cannot comment on the lighter material but if Doc offers his wisdom I would take that to the bank. He has more experience then I do with different weight materials. Everything I sew is heavy stuff.

The 2 - 563's that they have do have the reverse bar on them. One of them is missing the tension assembly but they are fairly cheap. The other looks complete. I can say that they appear to have been taken care of. I went all through mine and it was well taken care of ( oiled heavily ). I guess Rusty would allow you to sew on it but your going to have to take an M  bobbin and spool of thread with you and some material. These are stored in a warehouse not their fabric shop. He did get the one I bought out off the pallet, ran an extension cord and plugged it in and allowed me to run it.

If you disconnect the belt or tilt the machine up so the belt isn't touching the wheel then rotate it completely around. It should spin smoothly without any hic cups, rubbing or ticking/knocking. Set the machine back down and connect the belt and then give it a run forward and backwards.

The two 563's that they left both have clutch motors. I cannot remember the age of them. The machine I got had a brand new clutch motor on it. I have that listed on craigslist now. :)

I would offer him $ 350 for the one that is complete. If it doesn't work for your wife's sewing then I am sure you could flip it and make some good money on it. I forget what Bob told me what I could sell it for. Maybe
$ 600 or 700, I am not sure.

Got any other questions, let me know. I really like my 563. It sews awesome but I am still trying to get used to that top bobbin setup. I am NOT used to holding threads when I start a stitch run. :)

Good luck,

Chris
Title: Re: Added a Juki to the Family
Post by: Mike8560 on August 22, 2011, 06:59:26 PM
I wonder if I got scude I lid like $800 new just for the head without motor and table 10 years ago
Title: Re: Added a Juki to the Family
Post by: Mojo on August 22, 2011, 07:20:14 PM
I wonder if I got scude I lid like $800 new just for the head without motor and table 10 years ago

I don't think so Mike. The Juki 563's are still pretty pricey. The 1508 which is the replacement for the 563 ( I think ) is going for over $ 2,000 with table and motor. So the head is going to be over 1,500 alone.

I think you did OK. :) Are you still using clutch motors on your machines ?

Chris

Title: Re: Added a Juki to the Family
Post by: kodydog on August 22, 2011, 07:51:23 PM
Thanks Chris. Thanks Sofadoc.  Great info. We'll look at it tomorrow and if it runs good we'll probably get it.
Title: Re: Added a Juki to the Family
Post by: sofadoc on August 22, 2011, 07:56:21 PM
Here's what a "cherry" 563 is going for:
http://dallas.craigslist.org/dal/art/2553834051.html

BTW:  I've lamented lately about the last Industrial sewing center in the Dallas area recently closing. Well, apparently they got an infusion of cash, because they're back open.

Another BTW: Scroll down to the last big pic. Notice that he didn't run the thread through the threadguide? And it appears as if a little grinding has been done to the tops of the welt feet.
Title: Re: Added a Juki to the Family
Post by: Mojo on August 22, 2011, 08:22:37 PM
That machine is cherry..........Perfect condition and a good price I think for it being in that kind of shape.

Chris
Title: Re: Added a Juki to the Family
Post by: kodydog on August 23, 2011, 01:22:53 PM
Got it. Just got back from Monteray Boat where we picked up a Juki 563. There was some wear on it but he let us use it and it sews good. No strange noises and runs nice and smooth. The other machine was a little cleaner but the tensioner was missing and we didn't want to mess with it. Rusty is a great guy but he wouldn't come down from his $400 price. I think we still got a good deal. He said he ordered the part for the other machine if any one is still interested.

Thanks for your help Chris, Sofadoc and everyone else for the great advice. Can you believe this thread is up to 5 pages?
Title: Re: Added a Juki to the Family
Post by: Tejas on August 23, 2011, 03:15:14 PM
It looks nice, but hadn't thought of cherry. I'd seen this post and had assumed it had been repainted. How can one really tell how really used a machine is?

http://dallas.craigslist.org/dal/art/2553834051.html
Title: Re: Added a Juki to the Family
Post by: sofadoc on August 23, 2011, 04:37:51 PM
It looks nice, but hadn't thought of cherry. I'd seen this post and had assumed it had been repainted. How can one really tell how really used a machine is?
You're quite right. It LOOKS cherry, but it may have worn parts. I'm positive that it has been re-painted. But it's nice to look at.
 For $895, it SHOULD be in good repair.
Title: Re: Added a Juki to the Family
Post by: Mojo on August 23, 2011, 04:40:57 PM
Congrats Kody. If you decide you do not want it, clean it up and sell it and make some money.

Go through it and oil the heck out of it.

I am curious did yours come with a 1/4 chrome welt foot ? Mine did. I thought it was a flat foot till I went to put a welt foot on it. :)

If its in good condition and sews well and nothing is amiss it will probably still be sewing 20 years after your dead and gone. As long as it is oiled and not abused. :)

Congrats.

Chris
Title: Re: Added a Juki to the Family
Post by: Mike8560 on August 24, 2011, 11:02:46 AM
Ya mojo.  I  have clutch motors.  There were hard to get used to at first like the first power brakes on cars.  
But I'm fine  with them   I can stich just  as slow as I want  you just have to have a light touch  
  Did tou see the little vid I had of making pilpng with no foot one handed while filming?  
Title: Re: Added a Juki to the Family
Post by: kodydog on August 24, 2011, 07:04:07 PM
I am curious did yours come with a 1/4 chrome welt foot ? Mine did. I thought it was a flat foot till I went to put a welt foot on it. :)
Chris

Just got it out of the van and had to look at it real close to see what kind of foot it is. Stuck my finger up under it and can feel the groove for the welt. looks similar to this,

http://www.ebay.com/itm/WALKING-FOOT-1-8-WELT-FOOT-SET-SINGER-111W-JUKI-LU-563-/350370655925?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item5193b7eeb5
Title: Re: Added a Juki to the Family
Post by: Mojo on August 24, 2011, 11:12:50 PM
Yeah it is the same one I had on mine Kody.

Did you see some of the other machines they had there ?

Chris
Title: Re: Added a Juki to the Family
Post by: scottymc on August 25, 2011, 03:04:52 AM
Ya mojo.  I  have clutch motors.  There were hard to get used to at first like the first power brakes on cars.  
But I'm fine  with them   I can stich just  as slow as I want  you just have to have a light touch  
  Did tou see the little vid I had of making pilpng with no foot one handed while filming?  

I've got all clutch motors, same thing, light touch , easy peasy slow as you want. Been reading all the raves about servo motors and they sound great, but don't I see the point in replacing a perfectly good clutch motor. I guess if I get a brand new machine I might get one.

Maybe while ya'all throwin ya bobbin party's, you could practice controlling the clutch  ;)
Title: Re: Added a Juki to the Family
Post by: christwo on August 25, 2011, 09:34:46 AM
They would have to have clutch motors to do so!
Title: Re: Added a Juki to the Family
Post by: kodydog on August 25, 2011, 12:03:01 PM
Maybe while ya'all throwin ya bobbin party's, you could practice controlling the clutch  ;)

Nope Scotty. At a Bobbin Party its full tilt boogie, balls to the wall. Gotta get those bobbins wound so we can slam down some free beers and chase those Hooters girls around. Maybe get some chip-n-dales for the ladies?  ;D
Title: Re: Added a Juki to the Family
Post by: Mojo on August 25, 2011, 12:19:48 PM
Scotty:

Greg and Bob may not agree with me but my feeling is this when it comes to the stitcher business. All of us have our own preferences when it comes to machines, fabric, attachments, thread,  bobbins, and yes motors.

I believe a lot of our preference goes back to the first days we started sewing. I started on one of my Mom's suzy homemaker machines when I was a little kid. I stitched all kindsoif useless stuff back then from puppets to God knows what else. Now stop and think, what kind of a motor did I use on that machine ? It was for all practical purposes a servo motor and the homemaker machines are very controllable with the pedal.

Now step forward to my adult years. My first commercial machine was a Tuffsew, again a very slow and controllable machine. Then I bought my Chandler and Bob talked me into the servo knowing full well what my sewing history was like. So in a nutshell all I have sewed on are servo type motors and I am so used to them that when I did sew on a clutch motor the first time I about ran my hand through the machine. :) I am to busy and because I am old I am to damn impatient to try and learn to sew with a different motor. For
$ 135 I will stick to what I am comfortable at and one I can turn out the goods quickly with.

Others on here have never sewed on a servo and were raised with a clutch motor under their foot. These guys see no reason to switch and if they are comfortable with the clutch motor then they will more then likely stick with it.

This preference applies to so much in our lives - car's, boat's you name it. Some of us embrace change and some of us don't.

Chris
Title: Re: Added a Juki to the Family
Post by: scottymc on August 25, 2011, 09:57:19 PM
Chris, of course you are going to buy what you are comfortable, but I can't see the point in buying a machine for a bargain price then paying for a servo motor, you may as well have bought the whole lot off a dealer and got a warranty for the lot. I'm saying if you pick up a machine dirt cheap , why not give the clutch motor a go, as you already know how to sew it is only a matter of control, so it's not a going to take that much time to get a handle on it. It is all about riding the clutch, you can go from crawling pace to sprinting instantly without touching a knob.
Like I said ,I'd buy a servo myself if I was buying a machine and I had a choice, but only after trying it, if they were that good you would not be able to buy a new machine with a clutch motor.