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Title: M Bobbin's
Post by: Mojo on August 18, 2011, 05:04:24 PM
I do not know how many of you use the M type Bobbins but I ordered 100 of them and just got them today. They are the black slotted kind and are very well made ( not the cheap ones that some e-bay sellers peddle).

I will give you a hint. If your going to order these instead of hitting the " Buy " button select the " Make Offer " button instead and offer them $ 18.95. They should accept it as they did my offer.

I was very happy with my purchase since 100 bobbins cost me 19 cents each. For the record I bought 100 aluminum solid M bobbins a year ago and hate them. I have a heck of a time winding them because they have no recess or slot in them and my dexterity in my hands are terrible when it comes to handling thread.

Here is the ad for the bobbins:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/CONSEW-206RB-JUKI-BROTHER-100-M-LARGE-BOBBINS-18034-/300589736957?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item45fc8b63fd#ht_986wt_952 (http://www.ebay.com/itm/CONSEW-206RB-JUKI-BROTHER-100-M-LARGE-BOBBINS-18034-/300589736957?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item45fc8b63fd#ht_986wt_952)

I sometimes feel like I am the forum's guinea pig. I buy and try things out for everyone and pass on the good or bad news. :) Anyone ever seen that commercial from years ago where the kids used to say " Give it ti Mikey, he will try it "  ;D

Chris

Title: Re: M Bobbin's
Post by: Mike8560 on August 18, 2011, 05:14:01 PM
Oh I thought you got prewounds. Ya our jukintakes m also or you can use u or g
Title: Re: M Bobbin's
Post by: sofadoc on August 18, 2011, 05:39:20 PM
Yeah, I bought some from an E-bay store. Unlike some of their welt feet, the metal bobbins work great. With shipping, 100 of 'em cost me $36. 
Did they give you free shipping with your $18.95 offer?

BOBBIN WINDING PARTY AT MOJO'S HOUSE!!!
Title: Re: M Bobbin's
Post by: christwo on August 18, 2011, 06:34:55 PM
Ill bring the Beaver!
Title: Re: M Bobbin's
Post by: sofadoc on August 18, 2011, 06:55:00 PM
Ill bring the Beaver!
We ARE talking about a color of thread, aren't we?
Title: Re: M Bobbin's
Post by: christwo on August 18, 2011, 07:05:01 PM
HAHAHA yes, we are talking about a color of thread.  :P
Title: Re: M Bobbin's
Post by: kodydog on August 18, 2011, 08:05:59 PM
Mapquested Mojos house to see how to get to the party and here's what I got.

http://www.mojosbackyard.com/

Tallahassee? I thought you lived in Brooksville.
Title: Re: M Bobbin's
Post by: christwo on August 18, 2011, 08:10:48 PM
Shoot, I kind of planned on leaving the dog at home   ???
Title: Re: M Bobbin's
Post by: Mojo on August 18, 2011, 08:56:25 PM
Shipping was $ 6.50

I bet all of you would show up for a bobbin winding party if I told you free beer and wings served by the local  Hooters girls. :)

Bob and I were brainstorming the other day and I believe I may have an idea for a bobbin winder. I am going to experiment to see if I can get this to work or not. It involves using the bobbin winder from my Juki powered by an old homemaker sewing machine motor with pedal. :)

If that works out then the bobbin winding parties will be coming to an end. Of course I will hoard all the wings and Hooters girls for myself. :)

Chris
Title: Re: M Bobbin's
Post by: sofadoc on August 18, 2011, 09:23:55 PM
The first time I bought "M" bobbins from that E-bay store, They sent me some that were a little too small. They spun too freely in the bobbin case, and would unwind, and tangle up. They sent me another set that worked fine.
I notice in that link that they only list bottom load models. I thought all M's were the same, but I guess not.
MOJO: Do the bobbins work in your bottom load Chandler, as well as your top load Juki?
Title: Re: M Bobbin's
Post by: Mojo on August 19, 2011, 06:14:00 AM
Doc:

I ordered 100 of the shiny silver solid M bobbins from them a year ago and they have worked in both my Chandler and Juki. I have not used the slotted ones on the Juki yet but have used them on the Chandler and they work fine.

I hope the slotted type work good on the juki otherwise I am going to be PO'ed. :) I never really thought about the differences between bottom and top load's. Having never owned a top load before it is something I am still getting used to.

Chris



 
Title: Re: M Bobbin's
Post by: Gregg @ Keystone Sewing on August 19, 2011, 10:16:22 AM
     Part number for the metal bobbin is 18034, BUT can fall under dozens of other part numbers for same bobbin.

     If you found good ones at that price, that your happy with, you got a GREAT deal.  Often I find with the cheaper bobbins is that the inside hole that goes onto the bobbin winder stud is sized all over the place, and some are snug on the bobbin winder shaft, some are lose.  Not good when trying to wind bobbins.

Pre-wound bobbin sizes for this same bobbin is an "M", not commonly refered to when ordering or refering to metal bobbins, but, like anyting else in life, as long as you get the point accross, and everybody is being understood, that's what is important.
Title: Re: M Bobbin's
Post by: Mike8560 on August 19, 2011, 10:38:05 AM
He juki LU does the u stand  for u  bobbins?
Title: Re: M Bobbin's
Post by: Mojo on August 19, 2011, 11:45:00 AM
Mike:

I know you use pre wound bobbins. I haven't a clue as to how much they are for lets say Poly 138.
What do you pay for the pre wound's ?

What do you do with your old bobbins ?

Chris
Title: Re: M Bobbin's
Post by: Mike8560 on August 19, 2011, 12:57:13 PM
Far as how much they Re I doing k ownfor sure but it isn't much
the time I would spend winding make up fir it just to swap in a prewound. 
Tenara now then I have to wind.
What do I do with my old ones. Do you meen the bobbin cases I jeep them for when I doo have to wind.
I don't have many maybe 12 per machine
Title: Re: M Bobbin's
Post by: christwo on August 19, 2011, 01:14:07 PM
He juki LU does the u stand  for u  bobbins?
The LU-562/3 uses a G bobbin. If im not mistaken the 1508 uses an M.
Title: Re: M Bobbin's
Post by: Gregg @ Keystone Sewing on August 19, 2011, 03:21:40 PM
He juki LU does the u stand  for u  bobbins?
The LU-562/3 uses a G bobbin. If im not mistaken the 1508 uses an M.

LU-562 uses "G" prewound bobbin size
LU-563 & LU-1508 series uses "U" prewound bobbin size
Title: Re: M Bobbin's
Post by: scottymc on August 19, 2011, 04:06:35 PM
BOBBIN WINDING PARTIES AAARRG  ::)

Come on, sitting down and specifically winding a heap of bobbin defies logic. Going to the trouble of making something to wind bobbins when there is a bobbin winder sitting next to your machine,MADNESS!!!!

Do you sit there and watch the thread wind onto the bobbin? Well I s'pose it might be therapeutic. ;)
Title: Re: M Bobbin's
Post by: christwo on August 19, 2011, 04:56:57 PM
Thanks Gregg, I did know better about the 563, but was completly mistaken in the 1508.  :-X
Title: Re: M Bobbin's
Post by: sofadoc on August 19, 2011, 05:25:42 PM
Come on, sitting down and specifically winding a heap of bobbin defies logic.
Why do you think they sell 'em by the 100?
If you're gonna just wind one while you're sewing, why would you ever need more than 2?
I'm a "Bobbin winding party animal" myself. But I can't really see the need for a seperate apparatus dedicated solely to that purpose.
I completely de-thread the machine, raise the foot, and wind my @$$ off.
Periodically, I'll dab some oil on the bobbin case while it's spinning full blast.
I use this time to oil other portals, too.
While sewing, if I encounter some thread that's being cantankerous, it goes straight to my "Bobbins Only" shelf.
Title: Re: M Bobbin's
Post by: Mojo on August 19, 2011, 05:29:55 PM
Come on, sitting down and specifically winding a heap of bobbin defies logic.
Why do you think they sell 'em by the 100?
If you're gonna just wind one while you're sewing, why would you ever need more than 2?
I'm a "Bobbin winding party animal" myself. But I can't really see the need for a seperate apparatus dedicated solely to that purpose.
I completely de-thread the machine, raise the foot, and wind my @$$ off.
Periodically, I'll dab some oil on the bobbin case while it's spinning full blast.
I use this time to oil other portals, too.
While sewing, if I encounter some thread that's being cantankerous, it goes straight to my "Bobbins Only" shelf.

This is exactly what I do. Verbatim. Except I crank up the stereo and grab me a tall cold glass of Diet Coke and then go to town on the bobbins. :)

Chris
Title: Re: M Bobbin's
Post by: sofadoc on August 19, 2011, 05:48:50 PM
This is exactly what I do. Verbatim. Except I crank up the stereo and grab me a tall cold glass of Diet Coke and then go to town on the bobbins.
I don't know what changed me, but in the last few years I've gravitated over to Diet Pepsi. It's funny, I hated Pepsi as a kid.
Title: Re: M Bobbin's
Post by: scottymc on August 19, 2011, 07:02:36 PM
Yes , but your machine runs twice as long(it could be winding while you work) so that's twice the electricity and twice the wear and tear on your machine and you are turning something that is just a part of sewing into a specific time consuming job.
I only have a half a dozen bobbins for each machine, of course they sell them by the hundred, there seems to be demand for it.
Title: Re: M Bobbin's
Post by: sofadoc on August 19, 2011, 08:37:47 PM
Yes , but your machine runs twice as long(it could be winding while you work)
I look at it differently. I view it as being productive while resting. :D
Anyway, at this juncture in my life, I'm really not interested in maximizing my productivity. Sure, I might save 10 minutes a day by winding as I go. But that will be easily offset by the 20 minutes I spend on the crossword puzzle. Or the hour I take off just because I can.
I'm amused by the ones who come on here trying to figure out a way to account for every last fraction of an hour spent on a job.
C'mon people!! The reason that I'm self-employed is so I don't have to worry about someone standing behind me tapping their watch.
I had my first Juki over 25 years. The one I have now will probably be here when I'm gone, so I'm not too terribly worried about wear and tear.
Another reason, I have a lot of different color spools, but I don't always have 2 spools of every color, so I can't always wind while I sew.
Title: Re: M Bobbin's
Post by: slodat on August 20, 2011, 03:20:46 AM
I bought a stand alone bobbin winder (http://atlaslevy.3dcartstores.com/Luis-Automatic-Electric-Bobbin-Winder_p_353.html). Works good..

Title: Re: M Bobbin's
Post by: scottymc on August 20, 2011, 03:38:15 AM
I bought a stand alone bobbin winder (http://atlaslevy.3dcartstores.com/Luis-Automatic-Electric-Bobbin-Winder_p_353.html). Works good..


That looks so good. I'm gunna sell all my machines and just get one of those.
Title: Re: M Bobbin's
Post by: sofadoc on August 20, 2011, 11:19:04 AM
That looks so good. I'm gunna sell all my machines and just get one of those.
I'm think I'll get me one too. But I'm going to rig it to my sewing machine, so that it ONLY winds while I'm sewing. :D
Title: Re: M Bobbin's
Post by: christwo on August 20, 2011, 11:39:48 AM
Ha, classic.
Title: Re: M Bobbin's
Post by: Darren Henry on August 20, 2011, 01:01:17 PM
I'm with Scottymc. I've always had a bobbin winder mounted to the table and wind as I go.

In my former life I worked for a guy who had a speed reducer on his harness machine that prohibited winding as you go.What a drudge loading bobbins with a cordless drill every time I needed to sew that much leather. I have the same complaint about my patcher.
Title: Re: M Bobbin's
Post by: scottymc on August 20, 2011, 03:48:20 PM
That looks so good. I'm gunna sell all my machines and just get one of those.
I'm think I'll get me one too. But I'm going to rig it to my sewing machine, so that it ONLY winds while I'm sewing. :D
I've sold all my sewing machine, Darren gave me an idea. I am going to make up up attachment that converts a cordless drill into a sewing machine and another attachment for winding bobbins. I'll be sell it as a package with a 1000 bobbins and an instructional dvd, on ebay of course. This will ultimately fund my real money spinner, a computer program. Virtual bobbin winding, you can put it on your iphone and take it on holidays with you, I know I will, as I will make so much money out of this I'll never have to sew again. :P   
Title: Re: M Bobbin's
Post by: Mojo on August 20, 2011, 04:28:47 PM
I'm with Scottymc. I've always had a bobbin winder mounted to the table and wind as I go.

In my former life I worked for a guy who had a speed reducer on his harness machine that prohibited winding as you go.What a drudge loading bobbins with a cordless drill every time I needed to sew that much leather. I have the same complaint about my patcher.

I don't have a problem with buying a second spool of Sunguard at $ 29 and wind as I go. But I am currently sewing with nothing but tenara and I have a REAL big problem buying a second spool at $ 155 just to wind bobbins as I go.

I also sew in clear tenara and black so that would be two spools of both, an extra $ 310 just to wind bobbins as I go. I can buy a commercial bobbin winder for much less. :)

Chris
Title: Re: M Bobbin's
Post by: Gregg @ Keystone Sewing on August 20, 2011, 04:36:14 PM
Cry me a river about cost of tenara thread, as I'm quite sure your upcharge to the customer is throught the roof!
Title: Re: M Bobbin's
Post by: Peppy on August 20, 2011, 07:12:56 PM
I am just a unit so my opinion doesn't count, but I always thought bobbin thread was charged to the customer at the same rate as top thread? I mean, you're selling all that thread eventually right? Be it from one spool or six, each job uses 'x amount of thread at $y per foot', no?

But as I say, I don't count. Especially since I've been using dental floss instead of bobbins for years.
Title: Re: M Bobbin's
Post by: kodydog on August 20, 2011, 07:51:18 PM
That's why I always ask for a couple extra each time I go to the dentist. Lets see 3 rolls of floss twice a year, that's like 6 free bobbins a year and no winding. Scottymc would be proud.  :P :P :P
Title: Re: M Bobbin's
Post by: sofadoc on August 20, 2011, 08:01:06 PM
Hey, if you swipe one of those drills from the dentist's office, you can floss and wind bobbins at the same time. ;D
I've been going about this all wrong. I floss with 69 nylon thread.
Title: Re: M Bobbin's
Post by: kodydog on August 20, 2011, 08:33:58 PM
Noooo Sofa. The dentist is the last guy you want to PO if you get caught. Can you say "root canal". Think I'll stick with prewounds.
Title: Re: M Bobbin's
Post by: Mojo on August 21, 2011, 06:27:23 AM
Cry me a river about cost of tenara thread, as I'm quite sure your upcharge to the customer is throught the roof!

I have no room left for any more upcharges. I have stiff competition with awnings and I am already over my competitors on costs. I just had to drop my prices to better match some of the larger suppliers. The RV dealers demanded that because they are upcharging my awnings to their customers.

The main reason I am getting so much awning business now is because I am one of the very few who make awnings the way I do ( Recacril, Tenara and Double Stitched ).

I would probably buy more Tenara if I wasn't spending so much on accessories through you machine dealers.... Talking about upcharges...... It's enough to make us cry an ocean. :)....lol....... :P

Chris

Title: Re: M Bobbin's
Post by: seamsperfect on August 21, 2011, 07:43:07 AM
Mojo thanks, I tried $15.00 just for the heck of it and they came back at $23.45, I countered with $18.95 and they accepted it..... ;)
Kevin
Title: Re: M Bobbin's
Post by: Mojo on August 21, 2011, 09:53:17 AM
No problem Kevin.

Sharp and AM Industrial are two of the biggest suppliers on E-bay for feet, bobbins and other do-dads. Several of us on here have used both and their customer service has been astounding. I think it was Doc who had a bad welt foot and they sent him a new one.

I would really like to buy this stuff from Bob but even Bob suggested going where I can get the best deals. I will buy from him if he is close in price on some items because I want to support our advertisers. But I appreciate a dealer like Bob saying " if you can get the same thing cheaper........go for it. I will buy the big stuff from him ( servos, machines, etc. ) because I will not buy these online from E-Slay. But the little things, I try and shop for them for price.

I heard through the grapevine that some of the dealers around the country are sourcing some of their bobbins from the same companies we are but I am not sure about that.

Which brings up another point. If Greg or Bob are buying from a supplier who is also supplying us with the same stuff at the same price they supply Bob and Greg at, is that not an issue ? It would be the same as Miamicorp selling fabric to our customers at the same price they sell to us.

I would not be too happy about it.

Chris
Title: Re: M Bobbin's
Post by: sofadoc on August 21, 2011, 10:22:44 AM
Which brings up another point. If Greg or Bob are buying from a supplier who is also supplying us with the same stuff at the same price they supply Bob and Greg at, is that not an issue ? It would be the same as Miamicorp selling fabric to our customers at the same price they sell to us.
I would not be too happy about it.
Get used to it. I already have customers that look up fabrics in my sample books, and then go online and order it at my wholesale price through a "3rd party" seller. And they get free shipping to boot.
I've complained about this here before. The line between wholesale and retail gets a little murkier every year.
Title: Re: M Bobbin's
Post by: seamsperfect on August 21, 2011, 12:31:19 PM
Which brings up another point. If Greg or Bob are buying from a supplier who is also supplying us with the same stuff at the same price they supply Bob and Greg at, is that not an issue ? It would be the same as Miamicorp selling fabric to our customers at the same price they sell to us.
I would not be too happy about it.
Get used to it. I already have customers that look up fabrics in my sample books, and then go online and order it at my wholesale price through a "3rd party" seller. And they get free shipping to boot.
I've complained about this here before. The line between wholesale and retail gets a little murkier every year.

The sample books I show I remake the sheets with my own coding system, or cut or cover the name of the manufacture on the sample books.   Most of my supplies come from Germany, most likely they would not shop those but for domestics the less they know the better.  You can also tell them if you bring your own materials to me the cost will be X.  Add your markup to your labor so it washes in the end.  After all they come to you due to the quality of your works, and if your pricing is reasonable then that is hard to match.
Kevin
Title: Re: M Bobbin's
Post by: Gregg @ Keystone Sewing on August 21, 2011, 03:15:37 PM
Which brings up another point. If Greg or Bob are buying from a supplier who is also supplying us with the same stuff at the same price they supply Bob and Greg at, is that not an issue ? It would be the same as Miamicorp selling fabric to our customers at the same price they sell to us.
I would not be too happy about it.
Get used to it. I already have customers that look up fabrics in my sample books, and then go online and order it at my wholesale price through a "3rd party" seller. And they get free shipping to boot.
I've complained about this here before. The line between wholesale and retail gets a little murkier every year.


This topic desreves its own thread...


You guys have it correct, more or less to a point.  These things have been happening in a lot of industries I'm sure for quite some time.  Let's just say how I really feel about this subject, I keep to myself.  Let me say this, with the knowlege that my suppliers will likely read this;  when the time comes when I can't afford to both sell and support their products while making a fair and reasonable profit, I will obviously forced to find other products to sell.  Keystone sewing is a profit making organization, as my dad would say.  And I'd I can't honor our six month warranty, one year on motor without losing my shirt, or have so much up front set up before delivery so we can be confident we can stand behind a product, and keep our best customers, who are our repeat customers, well you get the idea.
Title: Re: M Bobbin's
Post by: Gregg @ Keystone Sewing on August 21, 2011, 03:18:56 PM
Which brings up another point. If Greg or Bob are buying from a supplier who is also supplying us with the same stuff at the same price they supply Bob and Greg at, is that not an issue ? It would be the same as Miamicorp selling fabric to our customers at the same price they sell to us.
I would not be too happy about it.
Get used to it. I already have customers that look up fabrics in my sample books, and then go online and order it at my wholesale price through a "3rd party" seller. And they get free shipping to boot.
I've complained about this here before. The line between wholesale and retail gets a little murkier every year.


Whole other story to this, too. 
Title: Re: M Bobbin's
Post by: Mike8560 on August 21, 2011, 04:09:04 PM
I just had to drop my prices to better match some of the larger suppliers. The RV dealers demanded that because they are upcharging my awnings to their customers.



I eoked with couple  stealers one was bigtime but now out of buisness around here. 
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Title: Re: M Bobbin's
Post by: sofadoc on August 21, 2011, 07:15:54 PM
Whole other story to this, too.
I'm not positive where Gregg is going with that statement, but I'll take a stab at it. ;)
People like me, and Mojo only perpetuate the problem when we buy from an E-Bay store.
Same way that every time we buy from Wal-Mart, we drive another nail in the coffin of a "mom & pop" business.
For the record, I have bought a few welt feet, and a 100 bobbins off E-Bay.
But as a rule, I get most of my sewing parts from Gregg. And I only buy thread from suppliers who drive right up to my front door. If I can't touch it, I ain't buyin' it. Same with all other upholstery supplies.

You can also tell them if you bring your own materials to me the cost will be X.  Add your markup to your labor so it washes in the end.
I do charge more for COM, but not enough to make it a "wash". If I did that, I would take away ANY incentive to sell fabric at all.
Then, I would be just "playing right into the hands" of wholesalers who unscrupulously sell directly to the public.

Gregg's right. This topic DOES deserve it's own thread.
Title: Re: M Bobbin's
Post by: seamsperfect on August 21, 2011, 07:46:15 PM
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You can also tell them if you bring your own materials to me the cost will be X.  Add your markup to your labor so it washes in the end. I do charge more for COM, but not enough to make it a "wash". If I did that, I would take away ANY incentive to sell fabric at all.
Then, I would be just "playing right into the hands" of wholesalers who unscrupulously sell directly to the public.

The point I was trying to make is that if your prospective customer does not know the manufacture of your materials then they can not shop it online.  If you tell them from the beginning that you charge x an hour more if they bring their own materials then they are most likely going to let you do the entire project including materials.  If they did find out the brand then they are not going to waste their time buying online if the end result is costing the same at the end.
Kevin
Title: Re: M Bobbin's
Post by: sofadoc on August 21, 2011, 07:56:24 PM
Kevin: Sorry, I didn't mean to sound argumentative. I do get your point.
But if I charge the same whether they buy fabric from me or not, why would I even want to sell fabric? I think your theory works better from an automotive point of view. But customers can find furniture fabric ANYWHERE.
Good discussion. Again, I'm not necessarily disagreeing with you.
Title: Re: M Bobbin's
Post by: seamsperfect on August 21, 2011, 08:47:37 PM
Kevin: Sorry, I didn't mean to sound argumentative. I do get your point.
But if I charge the same whether they buy fabric from me or not, why would I even want to sell fabric? I think your theory works better from an automotive point of view. But customers can find furniture fabric ANYWHERE.
Good discussion. Again, I'm not necessarily disagreeing with you.
Sorry  I see your side,  I guess I was saying,  say if you charge X an hour with fabric then charge X + 15%  an hour if they supply their own. I only deal with automotive, boats and some planes so  the market is much smaller than home fabrics.  I see where you would have a lot of competition in that area. 
Kevin
Title: Re: M Bobbin's
Post by: Gregg @ Keystone Sewing on August 21, 2011, 09:44:24 PM
Whole other story to this, too.
I'm not positive where Gregg is going with that statement, but I'll take a stab at it. ;)
People like me, and Mojo only perpetuate the problem when we buy from an E-Bay store.
Same way that every time we buy from Wal-Mart, we drive another nail in the coffin of a "mom & pop" business.
For the record, I have bought a few welt feet, and a 100 bobbins off E-Bay.
But as a rule, I get most of my sewing parts from Gregg. And I only buy thread from suppliers who drive right up to my front door. If I can't touch it, I ain't buyin' it. Same with all other upholstery supplies.

You can also tell them if you bring your own materials to me the cost will be X.  Add your markup to your labor so it washes in the end.
I do charge more for COM, but not enough to make it a "wash". If I did that, I would take away ANY incentive to sell fabric at all.
Then, I would be just "playing right into the hands" of wholesalers who unscrupulously sell directly to the public.

Gregg's right. This topic DOES deserve it's own thread.



Every pereson reserves the right to but items at the lowest possible price they can.  So if Walmart has it for less...

That said, I have an excellent price matching record, and its not often I can't match or beat a competitors price.  In fact a good portion of my sales are priced off of sale matches.