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Title: What goes around comes around
Post by: sofadoc on November 26, 2013, 02:23:46 PM
I'm saving up for a new roof next year. In the meantime, I needed to patch a few areas.

I have to fully extend a 24 ft. ladder, and stand on the very top rung just to get on top of my roof.

The building next door is a 2-story with a huge window that opens right onto my roof. So naturally, I'd rather do that, than risk falling nearly 30 feet onto concrete.

The woman who owns the building next door said "NO!" She doesn't want anyone snooping around inside her building.

I'm thinking "OK, so that's how it's going to be".

The next day, I hear a loud thud on my roof. The woman is having her roof repaired, and the roofers are using MY roof to gain access to HER roof. They didn't even ask my permission.

I made them get off my roof immediately, and explained why.

They had to rent a crane at an additional cost of $1000 to complete her roof job.

Maybe she'll think before she says no next time.
Title: Re: What goes around comes around
Post by: byhammerandhand on November 26, 2013, 03:07:47 PM
love it
Title: Re: What goes around comes around
Post by: Mike on November 26, 2013, 04:04:45 PM
is she  the same but is she paying the $1000 or Is  it just costing them? either way I wouldn't want them up there what if there was an accident and you allowed them on ther e?
Title: Re: What goes around comes around
Post by: SteveA on November 27, 2013, 06:35:13 AM
Sofa
We are all good folks just trying to perform a craft and make a living.  I wish that was the case.  Overriding the craft is the fight we have to engage in every day with suppliers, venders, helpers, services, neighbors, etc.  Why can't we just come to work - build something and go home.  It's a battle of never ending frustration. Makes you wonder where the compensation is in our salaries for the dark side of being in business. I don't like your neighbor either !
SA
Title: Re: What goes around comes around
Post by: bobbin on November 27, 2013, 07:53:04 AM
Why in heaven's name would you not help your neighbor?  It's along the same lines as people who live in a neighborhood and never speak with the people living next door... I sure don't get it!
Title: Re: What goes around comes around
Post by: gene on November 27, 2013, 08:07:26 AM
If those roofers cased out that lady's building and her building gets broken into in the near future, I'll bet it's not the roofers who she will think about first. LOL

I wonder if that lady knew the roofers were going to use your roof? I wonder if she drinks a lot? I wonder if she walks her dog without picking up the dog poop?

If she knew she said no to you, sofAd, and she then went ahead and used your roof without your permission just to save some money with the roofers, I LOVE PEOPLE LIKE THAT! I can only imagine how pathetic her life must me. LOL

There's a Jewish word: chutz·pah. noun \ˈhu̇t-spə, ˈḵu̇t spä\. : personal confidence or courage that allows someone to do or say things that may seem shocking to others.

A Jewish lady told me once that the best definition of chutzpah is: A young man murders his parents to get their money. He's caught and found guilty. At his sentencing hearing he asks the judge for leniency because he's an orphan.

Your neighbor has chutzpah.

gene


Title: Re: What goes around comes around
Post by: jojo on November 27, 2013, 08:34:42 AM
Bobbin, I get what you're saying, and I'm sure if someone had asked Sofadoc for permission to be on his roof his response would've been different (despite her being a louse about not giving him access from her house).
I'm all for the "turn the other cheek" mentality, but only up to a certain point. The temptation here to teach her the karma lesson must have been overwhelming.
Title: Re: What goes around comes around
Post by: sofadoc on November 27, 2013, 09:33:28 AM
Just to clarify, part of the reason that I refused to allow the roofers to use my roof, is that my roof has seen better days itself.

I plan to spend over 10 grand getting it replaced next summer.

They were transporting very heavy roofing materials across my roof.

Since the owner next door would rather see me fall off a ladder than risk having me snoop around on her 2nd floor, I didn't feel compelled to put my roof at risk just to save her some money on a crane.
Title: Re: What goes around comes around
Post by: JuneC on November 27, 2013, 10:24:16 AM
Around here you'd neither ask nor give permission to use someone else's property for something like that.  Your insurance would drop you in the wink of an eye if they ever found out.  This part of the country is so litigious you just couldn't afford the liability risk.  It stifles a lot of small business and cooperation among neighbors.

June 
Title: Re: What goes around comes around
Post by: sofadoc on November 27, 2013, 11:17:26 AM
BTW, I never actually SAW a crane. I suspect that they just waited until I wasn't there, and used my roof anyway.

That's the way things go around here..........easier to get forgiveness, than permission.
Title: Re: What goes around comes around
Post by: bobbin on November 27, 2013, 04:00:09 PM
Funny how much is "lost in translation" sometimes.  I was surprised the lady wouldn't allow Sofa. access.  I understand the necessity of understanding liability when it comes to insurance but when buildings are in such close proximity, so do insurance companies!  And that's when knowing your neighbors and having cordial, professional relationships with them comes into play.  One hand washes the other and all that jazz. 

I also understand Sofa.'s refusal to allow her to use his building as a stageing area for the work to her building.  If I knew my building's roof was weak I'd prolly do the same thing.  That she was quick to refuse him access was the basis for my comment. 

(Re-roofed the house in July.  Nowhere near 10K but it was "significant money" and we are very glad we don't have a house with multiple gables, eyebrow windows, or dormers!)
Title: Re: What goes around comes around
Post by: jojo on November 27, 2013, 04:56:11 PM
Bobbin, that thought occurred to me after I posted.  :-[
Title: Re: What goes around comes around
Post by: Mike on November 27, 2013, 07:27:48 PM
I had to repair my roof at my last house , permits are crazy  i did it on the QT I had to remove barrel tiles and roll roofing to replace some  bad plywood under a gable where two roofs meet. i wouldn't have been abloe to pay otherwise at the time
Title: Re: What goes around comes around
Post by: JuneC on November 27, 2013, 08:44:16 PM
Yeah, I re-roofed in 2001 for just over $11,000 (1800 sq ft).  It's about triple that now. 

June
Title: Re: What goes around comes around
Post by: Mike on November 27, 2013, 09:48:37 PM
im glad my new house had a metal roof installed Pryor, supposed to last 30 to 50 years so i should have to worry unless i live a looong time 
Title: Re: What goes around comes around
Post by: sofadoc on November 27, 2013, 10:38:41 PM
Interesting turn of events late this afternoon. The woman's husband came in and apologized for his wife's attitude. He offered to pay for any damages done to my roof by their roofing crew.

He also brought me a key to the building next door for future access (the building is only used for storage).

My building has a flat roof. 2600 sq.feet with a foam insulation top. The foam was installed 35 years ago. It originally came with a 25 year warranty. Still no leaks, but the foam is badly deteriorated. 
Title: Re: What goes around comes around
Post by: gene on November 28, 2013, 11:07:04 AM
Class: showing stylish excellence.

Glad it worked out that way, Sofad. We spend a lot of time at work and it can become difficult if it's not a pleasant experience.

I'm between you and June on the liability issue. At home I would loan a tool to any neighbor who asked, even if I did not know them very well. I would be glad to help.

At work, I would only loan a tool to a friend or someone I knew well. I won't even sign for a UPS or FedEx package for someone else unless I know the person/company very well. Work is to make money and there are many more liability issues involved. My shop insurance went up 50% this year and I've never had a claim.

As my business advisor at SCORE says, "In business, I can be a nice guy or a business man. But not both. Now I can be a business man who is a nice guy, who puts business issues first."


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KtBGG49T50E

gene
Title: Re: What goes around comes around
Post by: sofadoc on November 28, 2013, 11:39:49 AM
Actually, I have no concern at all about liability issues. Nor do I worry about my insurance being canceled (since I don't have any). In Texas, we just don't sue each other at the drop of a hat.

My roof is old and weak, and I just didn't want a bunch of men transporting heavy materials across it. They left several cracks in the foam insulation that will have to be patched. The woman's husband has already given me $500 to patch cracks, and promised more if necessary.

He offered to have his roofing crew do the repairs to my roof. But something just doesn't seem right about rewarding the guys that damaged it by hiring them to fix it.

As for loaning tools. I do occasionally, but with no expectation of getting them back in usable condition. Or for that matter, no expectation of getting them back at all. 
Title: Re: What goes around comes around
Post by: Darren Henry on November 30, 2013, 10:58:07 AM
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In Texas, we just don't sue each other at the drop of a hat

'Cause y'all pack more guns around than a morter platoon. ;D It's a lot of walks home after dark before your case would come up in court.
Title: Re: What goes around comes around
Post by: kodydog on December 06, 2013, 09:20:37 PM
He also brought me a key to the building next door for future access (the building is only used for storage).

I'd say now is a good time to pay a midnight visit and find out what she was so worried you were going to see.

Weapons of mass destruction? Hmm.