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Title: XL
Post by: SteveA on July 27, 2016, 04:41:37 PM
New project came in today.  Repair, refinish and fabric.  Throne chair - from a Church.  Can't say I ever saw one this large - takes up the whole shop. 
Thank goodness they are not in a rush - their building is being overhauled and expanded - will take a year for the building renovation.  Will bill something but not what it should cost a COD customer.  I think it's rosewood - I have to strip off some finish to see the wood more clearly. Maybe walnut with a red stain or Indian rosewood ?  It's a pain -
Wish someone else worked here besides me !  One of those jobs you don't know where to start

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Title: Re: XL
Post by: Mojo on July 27, 2016, 06:15:14 PM
I absolutely love these chairs. The craftsmanship and artistry from years ago in the wood sculpting and wood turning just blows me away.

I have always wanted one of these chairs. I think they are awesome. I am sure your going to enjoy recovering this baby. Just think of the history and the stories that chair could tell.

Good luck and make dang sure you post an after picture Steve.

Chris
Title: Re: XL
Post by: MinUph on July 27, 2016, 06:19:51 PM
Nice chair. I did a church alter years ago. Same type of furniture. Ornate and beautiful. I think I have pictures of a couple of the pieces still. Anyway have fun doing it. It will be seen by the big boss so do it right :)
Title: Re: XL
Post by: kodydog on July 27, 2016, 06:33:55 PM
We're negotiating a church job. I never thought about the big boss aspect. Should I charge more or less for him looking over my shoulder. Sure hope he has a good since of humor.
Title: Re: XL
Post by: MinUph on July 27, 2016, 07:56:21 PM
Kody, Never over charge the big guy. Just give him your best at the rest falls into place.
Title: Re: XL
Post by: SteveA on October 21, 2016, 06:38:07 AM
I started to work on this chair finally.  East Indian rosewood - terrible stuff - tears and sheds to splinters when carving - also very hard dulling the edges of the tools.  I purchased a 36 in. long x 2-1/2 thick x 7 inches wide piece of this lumber to make parts - $ 80.00.  On the leg I replaced half of the bottom block and a section of the buttons that were torn out and lost that were 1-1/2 in. wide and the length of the leg. 3 buttons were missing and the wood below.  The the void was 1in. below the buttons.  A little more fine tuning - fortunately it's a back leg positioned on the inside

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Title: Re: XL
Post by: SteveA on October 27, 2016, 12:14:44 PM
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Slow going - replaced half a button - many damages and the chair has to come completely apart.  The joints have to be reglued.  I'll post other photos - not sure if anyone is still out there to view the photos?    
When I strip the leg the liquid paint remover will stain the new additions with some of the original color.  It's a nice technique if you can repair before stripping.  

More news - the Baptist Church said the designer will not use this chair in the Sanctuary as planned - too ornate.  They asked me if I wanted the chair.  
There is over 4 hours into it but I jumped at the offer.  Now there is no pressure to get it done - where it's going when finished - I'm not sure -but my Son wants it -
The woodwork will be lighter - a natural rosewood color - any suggestions for fabric ?  I don't think red as was originally there.
SA
Title: Re: XL
Post by: kodydog on October 27, 2016, 07:17:05 PM
"the designer will not use this chair in the Sanctuary as planned - too ornate"??? That's a shame for them but good fortune for you.

We're working on two church jobs and possibly a third.

The first church had to completely rebuild the sanctuary. They had bought a new steeple and set it on the roof. Several days later the walls bowed out and the roof collapsed because of the weight. They called 4 months ago for an estimate to recover the pews and gave us the job. Problem is the contractor started the job August 2015 and still is not done. They are anxious to get the pews done but we told them that would not be wise until the church is done and the dust settles. They asked if we could at least strip the old fabric off and they would help. So Monday I showed up. They had 3 volunteers and I had the tools. Gotta admit they worked hard but I could tell it was harder than they expected. We striped 24 pews in 3- 6 hour days. The construction still has a long way to go. And after watching the pace of the crew it won't be done until some time next year.

The second church has the same problem. We are ready to go but after 6 months the remodeling is not done yet. We're supposed to start next week.

The third church called last week. The construction is done and the pews are only 7' wide. We'll give an on site estimate Saturday.

Here's the weird thing, we usually only do a church job once every 3 or 4 years.
Title: Re: XL
Post by: gene on October 27, 2016, 09:28:46 PM
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not sure if anyone is still out there to view the photos?

I've been told more than a few times over the years that I am "out there".

I love that chair! You could make it into a practical throne chair - including plumbing that would allow you to flush.  :)

That is some nice work. 4 hours and how many more to go???

Kody D: That's somewhat funny that they put a steeple on top that was too heavy. I wonder how many codes you have to violate in order to have a steeple fail. I hope no one got hurt.

gene
Title: Re: XL
Post by: SteveA on October 28, 2016, 06:37:24 AM
I searched Throne chair - no plumbing -  and found Shaq in a gilded chair at a basketball game.  He looks a little snug in it but if he had my chair he'd have extra room.  Mine stands 6 feet tall - the seat is 30 in. x 30 in.  Loose leaf would be a fortune to cover the chair.  I think a pack is running over $ 1000.00.
There are 16 seat springs and three mini coil springs on the top of each arm.  Still need fabric suggestions although that plateau is a year away at my pace. Kody will be done before me lol
SA

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R9gkSw31RgE
Title: Re: XL
Post by: SteveA on October 28, 2016, 12:54:11 PM
This is a lower rail stretcher - one turned decorative knob was missing.  I made one today - not nice wood to turn - no clean shaving at all

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Title: Re: XL
Post by: SteveA on November 07, 2016, 08:39:15 AM
Haven't had time to do much work.  This is the front deck rail - secondary wood backer pieces were missing behind the carved decoration.

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Title: Re: XL
Post by: SteveA on November 08, 2016, 10:23:18 AM
Progress today - replace lost corner - there are 5 more like this to repair-  I used walnut because the rosewood was just too hard to carve - I can color match the walnut to blend in.  Carving rosewood takes hours longer and not worth it for me.  This corner took one hour and still needs a little fine tuning.

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Title: Re: XL
Post by: SteveA on November 12, 2016, 01:47:43 PM
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Title: Re: XL
Post by: SteveA on December 07, 2016, 03:56:41 PM
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Title: Re: XL
Post by: Mike on December 13, 2016, 09:43:52 PM


I have always wanted one of these chairs.
would you like a CROWN TOO lol
Title: Re: XL
Post by: 65Buick on December 14, 2016, 12:05:59 AM
That is one heck of a chair. Refinishing that wood will take a whole bunch of time. Amazing craftsmanship.

Kind of a side question: Do all you guys have shops that people come to asking for your services? I don't have a shop. But I wish I did.
Title: Re: XL
Post by: SteveA on December 14, 2016, 12:24:49 PM
A shop - kind of important !  Can you use a part of your garage or basement ?  Maybe rent space from another crafts person ?

SA
Title: Re: XL
Post by: 65Buick on December 14, 2016, 12:48:59 PM
I'm using half a standard two-car garage for the upholstery, and a small 11x11 bedroom for my big machine and various fabric work.

A shop would be dream. Maybe in the future.
Title: Re: XL
Post by: SteveA on December 14, 2016, 04:27:39 PM
Yes a dream but can be a big expense.  It's sounds like you have a decent set up.  No room to hold pieces unless they are ready to be worked on.  When work slows down there isn't a big rent to pay -
 
My shop is small but it's enough - it's set up nicely and I only take in one piece at a time - the thought of expanding sounds expensive
SA
Title: Re: XL
Post by: SteveA on December 28, 2016, 02:27:11 PM
All the repair + replacement pieces are done.  I need to start veneering the long side rails and areas of the main leg where the side rails dowel into

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Title: Re: XL
Post by: SteveA on January 02, 2017, 04:16:45 PM
Missing about 16 small square pyramid shaped elements and two longer shaped ones.  Back to the rosewood - because there's no carving - the saw blade makes short work of this decoration.  The blade is tilted 20 degrees and the tenon jig rides on top of my fence -

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Title: Re: XL
Post by: SteveA on February 02, 2017, 05:24:07 PM
The top of each back post had been cut off maybe to fit against a wall - found a nice piece of Brazilian Rosewood - enough for both chair posts. 

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Title: Re: XL
Post by: SteveA on February 02, 2017, 05:31:43 PM
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Title: Re: XL
Post by: MinUph on February 02, 2017, 07:04:43 PM
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Kind of a side question: Do all you guys have shops that people come to asking for your services? I don't have a shop. But I wish I did.

I know most here are small one man shops. I did that for a little over 30 years. I now have a shop with walk in customers and employees. I love it much better. Not so boring and we have people in most days to have work done. Yes there is a bigger nut to crack but like i said, I'm enjoying it.
There really isnt all that much more to move into a retail shop except rent etc. If your doing the work then you have what you need. This business doesnt require much to operate.
Title: Re: XL
Post by: Virgs Sew n Sew on February 03, 2017, 08:05:14 AM
Steve, love the XL chair.  Know my hubby would like the extra room.

65Buick: I have our entire basement for my "shop".  People in town know where I am located and I have a LOT of foot traffic.  Some days I wish I didn't have as much foot traffic.   You don't have to rent in any specific area of town.  Just set yourself up so that you can function, do your stuff, develop a favorable reputation and before you know it you will be established.  I do no formal advertising at this point (media).  I get a lot of "we drove by and saw your sign" or returning customers or referrals.

Virginia
Title: Re: XL
Post by: SteveA on March 17, 2017, 05:28:34 PM
Little progress - re-veneering the posts where the side and back rails are doweled into the legs.  Previously hide glue but it failed when the rail loosened. 5 veneered areas were bad which I chiesled away down to the oak substrate.  I had some old rosewood veneers - .040 thickness which I glued down with urea resin to avoid any movement. 
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Title: Re: XL
Post by: Darren Henry on March 18, 2017, 09:35:16 AM
Awesome work as always Bud. Just for fun [and those who don't have a woodworking background] how many hours have you got invested in this piece so far and what do you think the final bill would be if you were doing this for a customer at regular shop rate? i think some people's jaws would drop.
Title: Re: XL
Post by: SteveA on March 18, 2017, 11:34:09 AM
Darren if I was doing this for a customer I don't think they could justify the time necessary to do it correctly.  I'd be casting pieces and using fillers to cut corners. Joints could be glue injected instead of disassembly - Hand stripping - no way -  A customer would want to see the end result without care for how you got there. I probably have 30 hours in and could be in for another 50.  The biggest challenges left are to make paw feet in the front to replace where the feet were cut off to install casters and onion shaped ball feet for the back legs.  The other pain is one finial is lost which you can see in one of the earliest photos.  It's 5-1/2 inches wide x 13 inches tall and carved all over.  I got a quote from a guy who has a cnc cad machine that can copy the existing finial - he wants $ 500.00 + the glue up -  but it's something I can make given I have no deadline to complete.  You can't find 6 in. wide rosewood without a glue up.
If I did this for a customer who just wants a serviceable chair with a new finish and isn't concerned about a sympathetic restoration -
$ 3500.00 for the woodworking +  3 yards mohair red fabric, gimp, buttoned backrest, re-spring seat - arm rest pads, fix wood where old tacks from several reupholstery jobs made the rails like swiss cheese in places -  another $ 800.00
SA



Title: Re: XL
Post by: Darren Henry on March 19, 2017, 10:26:32 AM
Thanks Steve. I just wanted everyone to appreciate how big a job this is. You're actually making better time than I would have guessed. You must have all the really cool toys in your shop.
Title: Re: XL
Post by: SteveA on March 29, 2017, 07:54:29 AM
The 4 seat rails are done - veneers on the rails were badly chipped on the edges so I replaced with long matching sections. Rails are now stripped, sanded, and the old glue removed from the dowels and rail ends. 

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Title: Re: XL
Post by: byhammerandhand on March 31, 2017, 07:31:33 AM
Thanks Steve. I just wanted everyone to appreciate how big a job this is. You're actually making better time than I would have guessed. You must have all the really cool toys in your shop.

Tools, not toys.   
Tools, not toys.
Tools, not toys.

Keep saying it.  ;-)

I was working at a friend's house last week.   When he retired, he had a $70K building put up in the back.   Probably another $30K in machinery.   While he was not there, his wife commented that woodworking tools are more expensive and extensive than her tools (she's a high end quilter -- "Fabric Artist").    I tried to explain we have a lot different tasks that needed to be done -- cutting, smoothing, shaping, sanding, drilling, turning, joining, etc.   I don't think she was buying it.  On an earlier visit she showed me her thread stash.   I think she had 1000 spools of thread in all sorts of colors -- this drawer is my greens, this drawer is my reds, and so on.
Title: Re: XL
Post by: SteveA on March 31, 2017, 10:28:10 AM
Hello Keith - Thank goodness I've had work lately but that's really kept me away from this chair restoration.  Maybe I'm working on it 1 hour a week.   Hopefully soon to be DIL said she wants the chair when it's finished - my reply - trade you for a Grand Baby !  We'll see who moves ahead faster.  The problem lately is the drawers and cabinets are full of tools and I don't remember what's behind the crap in the front -  Tools, not toys !
SA
Title: Re: XL
Post by: Darren Henry on April 01, 2017, 11:28:56 AM
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my reply - trade you for a Grand Baby !  We'll see who moves ahead faster.

What are the chances of you accidentally finishing the chair ahead of schedule? [wink/grin]
Title: Re: XL
Post by: SteveA on April 07, 2017, 08:12:03 AM
Started to work on the back rest.  Crest needs reglue - 1 ear, several arched moldings are loose and a couple arched moldings missing.  Some of the pieces are stripped and sanded.

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Title: Re: XL
Post by: SteveA on May 11, 2017, 07:50:48 AM
More parts missing.  The left and right ends -  you can see the shadow of two scrolls that were there and missing.  I traced the pattern with acetate paper - transferred to the wood - cut blanks out on the band saw - sanded mostly by hand.  I didn't know what the carvings looked like since there was nothing else on the chair to compare it to.   I tried to copy a scroll from a picture on line.  Not having something to look at in person was a pain - one is done - it was a lot easier carving them first before gluing them on the chair

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Title: Re: XL
Post by: SteveA on May 12, 2017, 01:22:58 PM
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Title: Re: XL
Post by: SteveA on May 20, 2017, 08:36:58 AM
Two last scrolls done on the bottom of the back rest.  The ones that were there were not worth saving.  Last thing to do on the back is to install a center wood rail that's missing.  It gets doweled and dadoed from top to bottom center.  Having second thoughts about installing it - the foam will be 2 inches but wondering if you'll feel the wood rail.  Could leave it off ?  Not sure what to do -

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Title: Re: XL
Post by: SteveA on May 24, 2017, 03:10:47 PM
The back is finally finished.  I did put a center rail back - there was the shadow of one being there previously.  I was concerned that it might make the center feel rigid when leaning back but I think structurally it's important and the foam + cotton will mask the rigidity of a center rail.  I built up the tacking ledge with pine pieces to have more stapling surface.  I want to be able to hold back the webbing slightly and the small ledge that existed would have meant the webbing staples would be in the last 1/8 of the original wood.



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Title: Re: XL
Post by: gene on May 24, 2017, 09:31:55 PM
Very nice work. I can only guess how many hours.

I remember a show of This Old House where Norm went to a woodworking shop where they reproduced wooden pieces. I think they had a finial and something from the outside of the house. Anyway, I was thinking that New England would have more business for that sort of thing than other places.

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I built up the tacking ledge with pine pieces to have more stapling surface.
I've seen chairs where it is amazing how the upholsterer was able to get tacks into the small spaces. I guess when you spit tacks all day you get good at it. I would think that furniture makers way back when did not think about the upholsterer's work. Outside arms that have a piece of wood parallel to the ground but nothing to tack or staple sideways into the wood. You have to staple up into the wood. I've added wood at times to these types of chairs to make it easier for me to staple.

gene

gene
Title: Re: XL
Post by: SteveA on May 25, 2017, 10:02:42 AM
I'm also sure Gene that over its life time there must have been 3-4 re-coverings - many tacks and tack removals to the existing small edge really chopped up the wood.  I filled it with putty but knew I had to add some structure.
Can you tell me what you think about the center rail ?
SA
Title: Re: XL
Post by: gene on May 25, 2017, 09:03:56 PM
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Can you tell me what you think about the center rail ?

If I had to bet $1.27 I would say the center rail was not original with the chair. I'm thinking it was added later by someone doing re upholstery. I don't recall ever seeing a center rail in a picture frame chair. The opening is rather small.

Now, having lost my $1.27, there is a lot of wood above the back picture frame opening. It is possible that a center rail was thought to be needed to support that weight.

The bottom line is how it feels. That opening is rather narrow and I think only a really skinny person would be able to feel the center rail if they leaned back really hard.

I like your decision to go with a center rail. Could you tell if the center rail markings were original?

gene
Title: Re: XL
Post by: SteveA on May 26, 2017, 06:36:03 AM
There was definitely a rail running on the inside backrest from top to bottom.  On the underside of the top was a 7/16th hole drilled out and the shadow of a rail ending there.  At the base of the inside backrest there was a cut out or dado for the bottom of the rail to slide in.
The rail has been missing through at least the last two re-coverings.   When I removed the backrest coverings there was no rail but some pre 1930's steel straps running from top to bottom and attached to the edge with # 14 tacks. 
Thanks for the insight as always - the rail will add structure
SA
Title: Re: XL
Post by: SteveA on June 04, 2017, 04:10:50 PM
Purchased another piece of East Indian rosewood for the feet that are missing.  They were out of the 8 quarter Mexican or Honduras I used previously and those were easier to work than the East Indian.  A piece 8 in. wide x 48 in. long was $ 90.00.  I cut the blanks for the glue ups -   tried out my new Nielson plane instead of the old Stanely I've had for years.  No throat adjustment but it was excellent at cutting the rosewood pieces flat for the glue up.  I have a small table top planer but I didn't want to kill the blades with the rosewood.  Glued up using west system 105 / 205 but washed the surfaces first with acetone.  Cut off the corners of the glue ups on the table saw - face plate mount with screws and onto the lathe using the tail stock.  Surprisingly it turned well and was fairly easy to cut.  I think the last piece of Indian rosewood they gave me may have been heartwood and it was like iron.  One leg done today - 3 to go and than carve some toes only in the front two legs to match an image I saw on line of a similar chair with toes.
If you are in the market for a plane look at the Nielson line - I had their scraper and their molding cutter but never had a reason to go to their planes - I'm glad I broke down and ordered their small block plane - they also have one with an adjustable throat for heavier shavings.

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Title: Re: XL
Post by: kodydog on June 04, 2017, 05:11:34 PM
Surprisingly it turned well and was fairly easy to cut.  I think the last piece of Indian rosewood they gave me may have been heartwood and it was like iron.  One leg done today - 3 to go and than carve some toes only in the front two legs to match an image I saw on line of a similar chair with toes.
Isn't it great when things work out better than expected. The legs look great Steve.
Title: Re: XL
Post by: SteveA on June 06, 2017, 07:28:08 AM
Thanks Kody,
Although the rosewood cut easily the shavings are small due to the wood hardness.  This morning it took over an hour to vacuum the shop - the dust was everywhere.  After one leg was made and looked proportional - the wire gauge provided a shape from that leg that was copied onto a piece of Formica to use at the lathe.  It would have been better to turn a dowel at the top of each leg but a dowel would have been in the way while figuring out the form and proportions.  A sketch of the toes I have in mind that don't seem too difficult is pictured. 4 feet are done and ready to be attached. 

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Title: Re: XL
Post by: SteveA on June 18, 2017, 07:46:41 AM
The toes are done - the foot on the right was sprayed with water to show the natural color.  The Brazilian Rosewood I used for some of the parts previously was very red and I'm thinking I'll need to bleach those pieces before finishing - the chair's color after stripping and sanding is that faded rosewood color.  Installed on the bottom of each leg is a small thin piece with a bull nose edge to make the transition look better.

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Title: Re: XL
Post by: 65Buick on June 19, 2017, 03:56:23 PM
I am totally impressed with the woodworking. What a great skill set.
My father-in-law says he's done with woodworking. Maybe I'll pick up a few pieces.
Title: Re: XL
Post by: kodydog on June 19, 2017, 04:31:51 PM
Soooo, just thinking here, whats he doing with all of his tools. He could be a great source of information. My dad was always into wood working but when he retired it became his passion. When he passed away it was up to me and my 3 brother in laws to clean out the packed to capacity garage.
Title: Re: XL
Post by: 65Buick on June 19, 2017, 08:20:16 PM
I don't know what he is thinking. I honestly thought he was about to build himself a shop since he is only a few years from retirement. Though I had to help clean his Dad's house when he passed, and that was not easy. I don't think he wants to leave a huge ordeal when he passes. Absolutely he we help me with anything though. He has built some incredibly detailed pieces.
Title: Re: XL
Post by: SteveA on June 20, 2017, 09:38:19 AM
The effort setting up a shop to suite your needs is a great undertaking.  For me the time spent is off the charts.  I go to estate sales some weekends and when someone has a home workshop I can't help but to look around at their set up and think what it meant to them.  When the time comes it's tough to imagine someone going through my shop and picking out stuff they like -
SA
Title: Re: XL
Post by: 65Buick on June 20, 2017, 06:55:05 PM
Yeah I can definitely understand that. Most of the equipment is large, heavy... and takes up space. Constantly battling space.
Title: Re: XL
Post by: SteveA on June 22, 2017, 07:19:51 AM
Sectional glue ups - pilasters glued up to backrest and two back legs glued to back seat rail - yellow glue

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Title: Re: XL
Post by: SteveA on June 22, 2017, 11:34:07 AM
Front seat rail and both arm rest supports - glued up

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Title: Re: XL
Post by: SteveA on June 23, 2017, 03:36:02 PM
Dry fit before final glue up

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Title: Re: XL
Post by: Darren Henry on June 24, 2017, 09:55:21 AM
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Dry fit before final glue up

Coward. LOL. Looking good.
Title: Re: XL
Post by: SteveA on June 25, 2017, 09:06:28 AM
Darren if I glue up this chair crooked Gene and Keith will never let me forget it.  I'm hoping to get to it today - all the dowels fit nicely during the dry run - just need glue and clamps
SA
Title: Re: XL
Post by: byhammerandhand on June 26, 2017, 07:43:35 PM
The effort setting up a shop to suite your needs is a great undertaking.  For me the time spent is off the charts.  I go to estate sales some weekends and when someone has a home workshop I can't help but to look around at their set up and think what it meant to them.  When the time comes it's tough to imagine someone going through my shop and picking out stuff they like -
SA

There's a nearby estate auction with a ton of tools, hunting equipment, camping equipment, gardenng equipment, knives galore, and storage shelves.   Must have been a good life ;-)

"I hope when I die, my widow does not sell my tools for what I told her I paid for them."  -- Anon.
Title: Re: XL
Post by: SteveA on June 28, 2017, 07:59:34 AM
Found a spot on the floor that was level two ways - couldn't do the glue up on top of the table saw the way I like too.  After clamping up the diagonals were equal - all good - used yellow glue.  Next need to make 4 new corner blocks.  They sit on top of the rails - close to 2 inches thick.  Might have to make thick homemade fox edge to fill the empty space in between the corner blocks.



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Title: Re: XL
Post by: SteveA on July 14, 2017, 03:06:01 PM
Started to make the missing finial - going to make it in three pieces then join it together - the middle is turned and ready for carving


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Title: Re: XL
Post by: kodydog on July 14, 2017, 06:59:13 PM
The lacquer you are using, does it give that antique look all in one application or do you spray something on it first? That's an awesome looking finial Steve.
Title: Re: XL
Post by: SteveA on July 15, 2017, 07:40:15 AM
I do use that lacquer for touch up- but held the can there only to show the size of the finial.  Spraying clear lacquer over rosewood that's been stripped will show the true color of the wood.  Many of the replacement pieces may be too red since the chair in general has faded to a golden orange color.  It will need selective staining when the time comes. I don't want an antique finish - I want to see the grain.
 
Due to the oil in rosewood after lightly staining with a dye it will be sprayed first with seal coat then the clear lacquer.  I do like lacquer very much and use it for most everything I do.  As far as replicating the antique look on any piece;  it excels at that.  With a coat of seal coat followed by clear solvent lacquer you can achieve a finish of any luster including gloss without the heavy look of an oil varnish that also needs multiple coats sanded back to have an unbroken appearance of gloss.  Behlens and Mohawk are very good products.  Glazes and toning are another way of building a finish to appear old, soiled, tarnished, and dirty.  When you look at the finial next to the can before it was stripped you can't even see the grain of the wood  from years of soil, linseed polishing, and waxes 
Keith if he's looking in can add ideas for antiquing a finish. 
SA
Title: Re: XL
Post by: SteveA on July 16, 2017, 11:21:28 AM
A workmate and wood clamp was necessary to hold the turning for carving. The large ring is done -  The wood is so hard you can't hold it with one hand and push the chisel with the other.  Used a 3/8 wood chisel for the carving and a auriou riffler for clean up.
IE is is working for photobucket - chrome is giving me problems or photobucket has a problem with chrome

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Title: Re: XL
Post by: SteveA on August 28, 2017, 02:47:03 PM
Finally finished making the missing finial.  Made it in three pieces - just seemed easier that way.  The new pieces are rosewood but the natural color really varied -it will need some toning to get it to blend.  I have to buy some castors for the legs.  I want something heavy and I've been looking through the faultless catalog.  After I get casters I think it's best to put the springs back before some bleaching and applying finish.  Any suggestions - should I use synthetic straps or go with the regular red burlap.  I think the synthetic is better - is that right ?    Photobucket was a real pain to load 3 photos - took almost 30 minutes.
SA   




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Title: Re: XL
Post by: 65Buick on August 28, 2017, 09:08:42 PM
Once you get that color matched, I don't think anyone could tell that one was re-made to match. Really superb work.

The casters - They were probably metal ones on the front only?

Photobucket is on it's way out. Unless you want to start paying a whole bunch.
Title: Re: XL
Post by: SteveA on September 22, 2017, 09:02:53 AM
I'm going to do the seat springs before finishing the chair due to the difficultly handling this size chair. I don't want to bruise the new finish while doing the seat.  I don't remember how the  straps were attached to the front rail - not seeing screw holes for a rail that was attached below the carvings.  I'm sure the straps weren't attached to the high + low of the carvings. Maybe the straps were just folded over and tacked into the face.   Does adding a rail even with the side rails sound right to you ?


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Title: Re: XL
Post by: kodydog on September 22, 2017, 08:36:00 PM
I know you are trying to keep this project original but sometimes back then they gave no consideration to the upholsterer. I would add the rail just to make it easier.
Title: Re: XL
Post by: SteveA on September 23, 2017, 10:08:26 AM
Thanks - I did add the rail - I was a little hesitant to do it so as not to crowd the springs (16) but they all fit when I placed them on top of the webbing -
I placed the new rail slightly below the side rails so that the webbing is hidden when you view the carved rail from the front

SA
Title: Re: XL
Post by: SteveA on October 01, 2017, 10:04:27 AM
Finally finished the springs.  16 springs - I replaced the older ones that were rusted out.  Interestingly the previous center springs were softer than the edge springs - I guess so the sides wouldn't collapse in and the center would remain soft. For the new springs I used the same strength springs throughout and nearly a roll of spring twine.  Now I need to do some finishing work.  I'll cover the springs.  Some bleaching on the woods that never got lighter from the sun - seal, stain, and lacquer top coats.  I had some maroon mohair left over from another job but no the Mrs. wants to pick out something different.  She asks me how would paisley look - I didn't answer her

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Title: Re: XL
Post by: 65Buick on October 02, 2017, 03:36:54 PM
Paisley? oh boy.

Nice work there.
Title: Re: XL
Post by: kodydog on October 03, 2017, 07:05:05 PM
That's a lot of springs. :) Mohair would look awesome but the wife always has the final decoration decision. Happy wife happy life.
 
Title: Re: XL
Post by: SteveA on October 18, 2017, 10:24:17 AM
Chair w/finish

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Title: Re: XL
Post by: Mojo on October 18, 2017, 04:48:14 PM
Love that chair. Cannot wait to see the finished photo.

Mojo
Title: Re: XL
Post by: 65Buick on October 18, 2017, 04:51:05 PM
Wow, wow, wow. Also looking forward to the upholstery.
Title: Re: XL
Post by: sofadoc on October 19, 2017, 10:06:16 AM
This is currently the ONLY thread on the entire first page of general discussion that isn't infested with spam.
Title: Re: XL
Post by: SteveA on October 19, 2017, 10:30:47 AM
Thanks for the encouragement all !  I was going to give the finishing schedule but wasn't sure if photobucket would work and I also see I lost the preview button -
Anyway the photo did post - here is the finish.  - the wood was sanded to 180 with garnet orange paper. Washed down with acetone.   The new legs and finial were bleached with a two part bleach mixed together than neutralized with vinegar and water.   I sprayed the whole chair with shellac to seal the natural oil of the rosewood and also see how the overall color of the wood was.  The wood is rich - I didn't use any stain just the shellac.  The legs and finial that were bleached (stock indian rosewood too dark) was toned using a tea spoon of aniline van dyke in a cup of shellac and two drops of cordovan mahogany trans tint.  This matched the color of the wood well.  A second coat of shellac and waited 5 days to dry.  Scuff sand with 400 stearate  paper and two full coats un-thinned with Mohawk's finishers choice gloss nitrocellulose lacquer.  A little retarder added so it won't be necessary to rub the finish.  My Mrs. said the maroon mohair is OK - way glad about that. 
Only fabric left - I decided against adding the casters - just won't look right.  Hoping to finish the upholstery within the next 30 days time allowing.
SA
Title: Re: XL
Post by: sofadoc on October 19, 2017, 10:47:11 AM
Actually, the preview button is still there. It's the little unmarked one between post and spell check
Title: Re: XL
Post by: 65Buick on October 19, 2017, 02:22:00 PM
I love shellac. You can buy different hues and then mix it for your purpose with alcohol. Shellac is great stuff.
Title: Re: XL
Post by: SteveA on October 26, 2017, 10:03:32 AM
Things were going good for so long but cant say that today.  Two problems I'm mad about -  First my choice to use shellac as a sealer was fine but I sprayed too much in places thinking I needed to really seal the oil of the rosewood.  A few horizontal places pooled and being too thick I got some crack lines.  Shellac doesn't dry as fast as lacquer and I over coated shellac coats without enough dry time.   It's been about two - three weeks since the finishing was completed - I have three areas with cracks hopefully there won't be more.  The other issue was the leftover piece of red mohair I'm using.  When I unrolled the fabric there was a line I couldn't get out so I had to measure up 10 inches before cutting out the seat plate.  I only have about two yards to work with.  After putting the seat on I still have enough fabric but not enough to run it in the same direction as the shading on the seat.   

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Title: Re: XL
Post by: 65Buick on October 26, 2017, 02:28:35 PM
Steve,

That is strange. Are you using bullseye?
I don't know if this helps but if you mix your own shellac, you can then spray it through a preval sprayer. A lot of the time I find a scrap of foam and dip it in the shellac and apply it that way. My exp. Is that it always dries nearly instantly. If you're interested I have some blonde shellac already ground up ready to be mixed with alcohol. I could send you a little to try.
Title: Re: XL
Post by: Darren Henry on October 26, 2017, 05:39:31 PM
Sorry to hear about the little "set backs". You have worked so long and so diligently on this master's piece that you deserve a better break. Hang in there Steve---You'll get  'er dun! Are you still ahead of the DIL's schedule??? [cheesy/wink]
Title: Re: XL
Post by: SteveA on October 27, 2017, 12:52:06 PM
Buick I may take you up on that offer.  My previous experience with mixing my own shellac was an inability to get everything to dissolve. I buy the Zinsser Bulls Eye in HD which replaces their stock  more quickly than the local hardware store.  I know the dates are good without even checking. 

Darren - thank you Sir for the encouragement !  My Son gave her a ring two weeks ago - I'm way ahead of schedule - he's 32 - she's 26 - I hope she likes red mohair

SA
Title: Re: XL
Post by: 65Buick on October 27, 2017, 01:51:57 PM
Steve, no problem. I was really satisfied once I discovered how to mix shellac. The main thing is: Allow it to dissolve overnight. Don't try to add heat. What I send you has been powdered in a coffee grinder, which helps a bunch.
You'll need to look up what ratios to use based on what you're trying to accomplish.
A sanding sealer coat of shellac is a lot different than a finish.
I buy my rubbing alcohol at cvs, it's like $2 for the 93% stuff. The 70% stuff works too.
Another advantage to mixing your own is it's fresh. Shellac will go bad, and when you mix your own you're always sure of what you've got.
Send my a direct message and I'll send you some. I think the blonde will work fine. If you're curious, go on ebay. There are a bunch of different shades, and the ruby colored one may work nicely for this project too. It's very cheap.

There's a lot to learn about shellac, but it's so forgiving. The saying goes "shellac sticks to anything, and anything sticks to shellac."
A lot of this you may know but just for other people who are maybe considering using it.

This chair, I stained the legs with a chestnut brown and then finished with a couple 'regular' coats of shellac. Looks good, eh?
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Title: Re: XL
Post by: kodydog on October 27, 2017, 06:48:55 PM
Mr Buick that does look good

Steve I showed your chair to Rose. She approves the Mohair. She says paisley would have overpowered the carvings on the chair. But shes a sucker for small dogs. Nice job.
Title: Re: XL
Post by: gene on October 27, 2017, 10:10:28 PM
Steve, in looking at the first picture: I usually get any bugs off the furniture before I start working on it. :-)

Just joking to ease the loss of my yellow lab of 12 years who died two days ago. They do grab your heart, no matter what size they come in. This was our 3rd and final lab. Our next dog will be ceramic. (I know. I've been told that I'm saying that now but just wait awhile.)

I've enjoyed your pictures and comments on this project. I said before I hope it has been a labor of love.

I can feel your pain on getting so close to the end of a project and running into problems. Been there, done that. As I'm sure we all have.

Looking forward to the final pictures.

gene
Title: Re: XL
Post by: SteveA on October 28, 2017, 12:18:10 PM
Thanks Gene -
It's heart wrenching when the time we have with these little guys ends.  Very Sorry to hear you have lost a best friend. 
That applehead chihuahua we adopted a year ago - she's now 13.  Fits in perfect with another little one we have who is also 13.  Only wish I had her from the beginning because she's a lover 10 fold.  So far both are still real healthy - thanks be !   
At least the Mohair is not as bad as velvet when it comes to the shading issues.   The cracks I'll dye to conceal for now but maybe in a few months after all the curing I'll wash down the finish in those areas - reseal and recoat with a lot less finish.  Buick will send me some of his shellac brew to try - I'm sure the shellac build was one of the problems.  On the positive side a 125 year old chair with a few distressing cracks isn't going to get me down too much -
I hope you run into another 4 legged friend that needs a home and you can't resist -
SA
Title: Re: XL
Post by: Mojo on October 30, 2017, 09:34:19 AM
Gene:

I am very sorry for your loss. Losing a beloved pet is heartbreaking.

I have lost my share and each one left an imprint on my heart. I am a huge animal lover and the one thing I always tell people is that our pets become our family. It is hard for non pet lovers to understand.

I have always felt that the more I know about people, the more I love my dogs.

Mojo
Title: Re: XL
Post by: 65Buick on October 30, 2017, 10:43:58 AM
'The average dog is better than free average person.'

-unknown
Title: Re: XL
Post by: SteveA on November 05, 2017, 02:46:34 PM
The arms are done - I won't outline the arms with gimp.  I made a cardboard template for the inside backrest to draw center lines for laying out the buttons.  I was going to try to tuft the buttons - never did it before - but when I was doing a test with a scrap piece of mohair I found that when you fold the mohair over you see deep into the fabric substrate and it doesn't look nice.  Deep buttons will be fine - learning tufting will have to wait.  The final height of the seat came a little high.  I'm 5-10 and when I sat back my feet were off the floor but i guess this chair is really meant for someone 6-5 or more.  Big chair for a big person.  Nearing the end and it will be nice to have the other half of my shop back from this giant chair and the space it takes up.  The next one definitely goes in the reclaimed lumber pile



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Title: Re: XL
Post by: kodydog on November 05, 2017, 08:10:21 PM
Nice job Steve and I know you are joking about the lumber pile. A chair like that needs to be saved. Just wondering why not make the back tight with no buttons? Will you be selling this chair?
Title: Re: XL
Post by: SteveA on November 06, 2017, 01:05:36 PM
Ed the original fabric on the chair had a tight back but after looking at examples on line they all have button backs.  I guess more eye candy is the norm with these chairs.
The chair will stay in the Family - my Son & daughter in law want it once they have a place big enough.  If it didn't have the lion faces maybe it would make a nice Celebrants chair ?  In all the images I viewed on line I have yet to find a duplicate and there were no hall marks inside on the rails. 
SA 
Title: Re: XL
Post by: 65Buick on November 06, 2017, 04:45:35 PM
Steve I my be mistaken, I thought you were doing these for a church or? Anyway it's looking really nice.
Title: Re: XL
Post by: SteveA on November 08, 2017, 01:01:00 PM
It started out as a job but because the Church decided to go more modern I got it in lieu of the initial hours in.
I had a jar of nylon chair glides and used them to lay out the buttons.  Looks ok to me - there was nothing previous to go by

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Title: Re: XL
Post by: kodydog on November 08, 2017, 08:11:52 PM
in lieu of

That's interesting Steve. We started a job 17 months ago. This church was ruined when they added a new steeple to the roof that could not handle the load. Not only that the walls bowed out. This required a total demolish and rebuild of the worship hall. We received the down payment and ordered and cut the fabric. Last November they called and said the construction was almost done and could we get started. Me and three church members stripped the fabric off 26 pews. And then we waited. Last January the Reverend called and told us the contractor quit. The work that was done was out of compliance and they were looking for a new builder. We have made several contacts since then and they always promise the church will be done soon. We have just about given up on finishing this job. The good thing is the down payment has covered time and money spent.

So you may ask what does this have to do with your chair? While I was there I picked up 4 chairs used on the stage. Gothic style and somewhat ornate but not near as ornate as yours. They have been in my storage shed almost a year now. 
Title: Re: XL
Post by: SteveA on November 09, 2017, 12:36:41 PM
My Wife loves our chair vs where do we put it when it's done.  About 20 years ago the Pastor wanted to change the fabric on the kneelers.  I was part of a volunteer handy man committee at the Parish that did odd jobs around the Church.  We had 3-4 different tradesman and 3-4 guys to assist.  Every couple of weeks we would meet and tackle a project.  Parishioners supplied lunch and we had a close friendship.  Well 220 kneelers - remove and replace with Naugahyde - just wrap around.  Took one month and cost me a staple gun - killed the cheapo one I had an old Dayton -     

SA
Title: Re: XL
Post by: SteveA on November 12, 2017, 01:26:52 PM
Very lucky my good buddy Jose stopped by when I was getting ready to start the back.  He told me to go sit at the other end of the shop and make buttons - Jose is a life long upholsterer and he said if I did the back I'd screw it up - I didn't disagree with him.  Interesting how he approached the back with many changes to what I had in mind.  First he started with straps on the inside back rest.  He wanted to use synthetic instead of the red webbing I had in mind.  He wanted less of a projecting fold.  He took fox edge which I wasn't considering and outlined the edges so that the foam wouldn't round over near the edge, he turned the fox edge around with the tab facing the finished woodwork ?  Had no idea what he was doing ? .  This left room for the gimp at the end.  Straps, than foam 2 inch - I wanted tight buttons however he drilled out the foam with a 3/4 inch hole saw so the buttons would press in further I didn't think it was necessary - he did.   The cardboard template worked good for laying out the pattern and the pine wood around the edges worked out well to hold the strapping back enough so the gimp had room and went on nicely.  I put the pine because I thought the existing 1/2 inch edge wouldn't hold all the staples without breaking apart but this pine wood also allowed new room for a very neat gimp job.  This chair would never have been as nice if Jose didn't stop by -  upholstery by a pro was the craftsmanship necessary to have the best result.  Thanks Jose -



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Title: Re: XL
Post by: 65Buick on November 12, 2017, 04:26:59 PM
Really beautiful, Steve.
I think I only understand about 1/2 of what you said.

To begin, what size buttons are those?
Title: Re: XL
Post by: SteveA on November 13, 2017, 12:33:06 PM
Ian I read it over and can't blame you for not knowing what the heck I was talking about. 
The buttons are 30 with the eyelid for button twine.  While Jose pulled the twine from the back I pressed the face of the button to the depth before he tied it off. 
I forgot to mention we also used a layer of cotton over the foam to further soften the look. 
SA
 
Title: Re: XL
Post by: 65Buick on November 13, 2017, 01:26:24 PM
What is a "fox edge"?

And as far as the webbing, I think you're talking about the black stuff. I am not sure what difference this makes except that it is sort of elastic.
Title: Re: XL
Post by: SteveA on November 13, 2017, 04:48:52 PM
The fox edge is a heavy rolled type of piping used on the front and side edges of the raw wood frame before the foam or cotton. It softens the hard edge of the wood.
The black synthetic is thinner so when it's folded over to staple it makes less of a bump -
Maybe some refer to fox edge by another name but that's the only name I've come across for that material
SA
Title: Re: XL
Post by: 65Buick on November 16, 2017, 12:42:30 PM
I see fox edge is an edge roll. Asking about that in a new thread.