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« : November 29, 2012, 01:22:35 PM »

What kinds of staples do people favor?  What gauges, crown sizes, and lengths, and for what applications?

I have a surebonder pneumatic staple gun which takes T50 staples (20 gauge, 3/8" crown).  Any opinions on these?  What do you folks have in your shops?

Thanks as always for any help  :)
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« #1 : November 29, 2012, 02:01:17 PM »

I use 22 gauge 3/8 crown staples. Often referred to as 71 series. 90% of the time, I shoot 3/8" length. I also stock 1/4" for covering thin panels, and 1/2", 9/16" for stapling through several thick layers.

The 20 gauge would probably be less likely to cut through vinyl.

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« #2 : November 29, 2012, 03:02:09 PM »

Thank you good doctor!

I think I might get a 22 gauge gun as well to be gentler to frames...  I have seen it suggested that 1/2" crown has the advantage of making fewer holes.  Is there a trade-off though?  Another thing that is unclear to me is what "#7" staples are?
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« #3 : November 29, 2012, 03:13:43 PM »

#7 is the same as 71 series. All of these are 3/8" crown 22 gauge. This is the most commonly used staple in the upholstery industry.

1/2" crown staples are also known as #8, or 80 series (more suitable for vinyl applications)
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« #4 : November 29, 2012, 06:13:25 PM »

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71 series. All of these are 3/8" crown 22 gauge. This is the most commonly used staple in the upholstery industry./quote]

The shop I'm in now uses the 71 series staples.I don't know how popular they are down there but my shop and the shop I was in first used the 1400 series staples.Very, very close to (but sadly not interchangeable with )the 71 series.The only appreciable difference I can see is that the 1400 series have a shorter staple available than the 71.Those little 1405's come in real handy on thin panels like the plates on the fronts of some arms and the odd quad seat where the plastic pan looks like it was cut out of a javex jug.

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« #5 : November 29, 2012, 06:19:52 PM »

Sounds like I should buy a whole arsenal of staple guns  ;D

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71 series. All of these are 3/8" crown 22 gauge. This is the most commonly used staple in the upholstery industry./quote]

The shop I'm in now uses the 71 series staples.I don't know how popular they are down there but my shop and the shop I was in first used the 1400 series staples.Very, very close to (but sadly not interchangeable with )the 71 series.The only appreciable difference I can see is that the 1400 series have a shorter staple available than the 71.Those little 1405's come in real handy on thin panels like the plates on the fronts of some arms and the odd quad seat where the plastic pan looks like it was cut out of a javex jug.
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« #6 : November 29, 2012, 06:23:37 PM »

Thanks for clearing up the mystery about the #7s and #8s sofadoc.


Another thing I was wondering about is staple finishes.  Galvanized, stainless steel, laquor...?  Which for which applications?
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« #7 : November 29, 2012, 06:32:58 PM »

I always get a chuckle because my supplier's catalog lists staples as "liquor coated."     I was shocked to see the actual box that they comes in lists them as "liquor coated."    (I believe this should be lacquer-coated")


Another thing I was wondering about is staple finishes.  Galvanized, stainless steel, laquor...?  Which for which applications?

« : November 29, 2012, 07:14:32 PM byhammerandhand »

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« #8 : November 29, 2012, 06:53:41 PM »

*hits the bottle*
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« #9 : November 29, 2012, 07:02:53 PM »

Liquor finish staples are the cheapest, and are suitable for indoor applications (such as furniture).
Galvanized are water resistant. Some shops around here use them on boats that will remain in fresh water lakes. But ideally, stainless steel should be used on marine applications. The main difference between liquor, and stainless steel staples is about 20 bucks per box. :D

I always thought "liquor finish" simply referred to the color.

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« #10 : November 29, 2012, 07:16:20 PM »

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my supplier's catalog lists staples as "liquor coated."

My suppliers up here can't even get liquor finished staples any more. At least not the two main ones we use.[J.Ennis and George N. Jackson] :'( They were nice as they hide so much better than galvanized.

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« #11 : November 30, 2012, 01:56:08 AM »

My suppliers up here can't even get liquor finished staples any more. They were nice as they hide so much better than galvanized.
I kinda like the galvanized (or at least non-liquor finish) staples because they're easier to paint. I keep several different colors of 99 cent Wally World spray paint cans on the shelf so I can paint staples a matching color. Makes 'em even easier to hide. The 99 cent cans stick better than the more expensive brands like Krylon, but liquor finish usually takes 2 coats.

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« #12 : November 30, 2012, 08:02:25 AM »

I am a bit different and some will tell you I am weird. Shoe fits I guess. :)

I use galv staples that are 3/8ths with a 1/2 crown on anything that is going to be indoors. I had pull through issues with the smaller crown staples ( 3/8ths ). Others have not had this problem but I like the extra bit of hold with the 1/2 ".

Anything that will be outdoors you should use stainless staples. In damp climates this is a must. In Florida it is imperative. I use 3/8ths with 1/2 crown SS staples. ( Good Gawd are those things expensive ). Most of your marine people will use the SS staples and consider them a neccessity.

I bought my el cheapo 1/2 " Harbor Freight stapler on sale for 19 bucks. Still going strong but not the best for furniture people who need long nosed staplers.

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« #13 : November 30, 2012, 04:07:05 PM »

Are those 20 gauge staples?

I am a bit different and some will tell you I am weird. Shoe fits I guess. :)

I use galv staples that are 3/8ths with a 1/2 crown on anything that is going to be indoors. I had pull through issues with the smaller crown staples ( 3/8ths ). Others have not had this problem but I like the extra bit of hold with the 1/2 ".

Anything that will be outdoors you should use stainless staples. In damp climates this is a must. In Florida it is imperative. I use 3/8ths with 1/2 crown SS staples. ( Good Gawd are those things expensive ). Most of your marine people will use the SS staples and consider them a neccessity.

I bought my el cheapo 1/2 " Harbor Freight stapler on sale for 19 bucks. Still going strong but not the best for furniture people who need long nosed staplers.

Chris

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« #14 : November 30, 2012, 07:39:53 PM »

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but not the best for furniture people who need long nosed staplers.

Don't get me wrong,I'd give my "I" teeth for a good long nose stapler ( there's nothing left under them so what the hell?) ; but one always manages to "get by". I've never worked in a shop that had one actually.

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