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Title: welt foot
Post by: Vtool on April 01, 2012, 04:22:30 pm
 I'm in need of a 1/4 welt foot. I really don't want to use ebay, alot of ebay is garbage. who do you guy's recommend ? this is for a juki 563.
Title: Re: welt foot
Post by: sofadoc on April 01, 2012, 06:13:11 pm
Here it is from Gregg:
http://store.keysew.com/catalog/product/c198b712ef714e00b7173582ee3fed89
Title: Re: welt foot
Post by: Vtool on April 01, 2012, 07:35:50 pm
thank you sofadoc. I guess my main concern is chinese made products. not of high quality. not saying keystone stocks china-made. where are most sewing machine parts manufactured ? are there any produced in US , germany or japan? if the cost is more, no problem. thanks again.
Title: Re: welt foot
Post by: sofadoc on April 01, 2012, 07:52:38 pm
IMHO, the one that I linked from Gregg is as good as you're going to get WITHOUT buying OEM parts.
And OEM's will set you back a lot more cash. If you got your heart set on the primo feet, I'm sure that Gregg can fix you up there as well.

I've bought some larger Juki feet from E-bay stores, and I had to do a little grinding to make them fit. Sure, it's a bit of a nuisance, but they're certainly cheap enough.

About 20 years ago, I paid $200 for a set of Pfaff feet, and I STILL had to grind them!!

I really don't worry too much about top quality when it comes to welt feet. If they fit....they fit.
It ain't like you're going to be sewing through a piece of railroad track.
Title: Re: welt foot
Post by: Vtool on April 01, 2012, 08:22:15 pm
thanks again . also is there a difference between the chrome foot and black foot ? can you also explain why you have to grind foot. please understand. I'm still learning. also i do appriciate your input. thank you
Title: Re: welt foot
Post by: sofadoc on April 01, 2012, 08:31:56 pm
I doubt that you'll have to grind a 1/4" foot. On some larger feet, such as 1/2", sometimes the needle bar's thread guide strikes the top of the foot on the downstroke. I just grind some off the top. It doesn't change the working design of the foot. But again, never had any problems with smaller feet, such as 1/4".
I'm sure that the chrome foot is of a higher quality. But the black feet work just fine.
Title: Re: welt foot
Post by: Mojo on April 02, 2012, 05:07:36 am
Dennis, if memory serves me correctly we were buying our welt feet from the same E-bay vendor. I have to say their customer service is awesome. I ordered a chrome welt foot and they sent me a black one. I contacted them and they said keep the black one and sent me a chrome one.

The chrome ones have a better fit then the black ones and are made with better steel. The black ones are like pot metal and break off if twisted, adjusted or bent a little.

I know I have purchased all my chrome feet from that vendor and they have been top notch and cheap. I think the most expensive chrome set I bought was $ 18. I have since found out Bob Kovar carries these chrome feet and his price is right there with the E-bay vendor.

I believe we have all had to grind or tweak feet regardless of who we bought from. Do you remember the name of the E-Bay vendor we were buying from ? I really appreciated not having to screw around and mail back that one bad foot. I have better things to do then run back and forth to UPS shipping feet back and forth. Time is money. I thought that you also had a problem with one from them.

Next time I order a set I am going to order from Bob and have him try it on one of his machines before he ships it. Then if its bad he can catch it before he ships it out. Either that or I will make that old fart grind it down. :)

Chris
Title: Re: welt foot
Post by: sofadoc on April 02, 2012, 05:21:33 am
Quote from: Mojo on April 02, 2012, 05:07:36 amDo you remember the name of the E-Bay vendor we were buying from ? I really appreciated not having to screw around and mail back that one bad foot.
I think it was this place:
http://stores.ebay.com/amindustrialsupply/JUKI-LU562-563-1508-DNU1541-/_i.html?rt=nc&_fsub=1202534013&_sid=518028543&_trksid=p4634.c0.m14.l1581&_pgn=2
They sent me a new set and told me to just keep the set that I was unhappy with.
For grinding, I kinda like the black ones better (easier to see how much you've ground). I haven't had any break.
Title: Re: welt foot
Post by: Mojo on April 02, 2012, 12:39:19 pm
That's the vendor Dennis.

I never had to grind any of their chrome feet which is why I always specified in a note to them to ship only chrome feet. The chrome ones have fit perfectly every time.

These small parts that cost $ 15 - 20 bucks are not worth shipping back if they are wrong so it is a good thing AMindustrial has that policy. $ 3 dollars for shipping $ 5 for gas and then 30 minutes of time out of the shop ? It isn't worth shipping back and forth. That is one reason why I ordered through them because they stand behind their product and wont jerk you around with sending cheap parts back and forth.

Chris
Title: Re: welt foot
Post by: ahkahn on April 02, 2012, 01:32:53 pm
We sell them and they're in stock.  $23.99/each.  We can mail, UPS, pick up, etc.  They're not on our website at this point.

-Andrew
Title: Re: welt foot
Post by: Gregg @ Keystone Sewing on April 02, 2012, 02:42:02 pm
Theese welting feet are usually never a problem, and are among some of the most common items we sell.  Only in the larger sizes, say like a 3/4" and depending on your model machine, do you have have to cut away a recess in the top part of the foot.  1/4" would never suffer from this issue.

See image for the 'cutaway' people are asking about, on a S68 (Use this for turns and curves) foot that we sell with speical cutaway done at the factory; (http://www.keysew.com/Webpages/DemoImages/S68Cutaway.jpg)

See the S68 here; http://store.keysew.com/catalog/product/0205b79f0eeb474287ccae37c226d9c5 (http://store.keysew.com/catalog/product/0205b79f0eeb474287ccae37c226d9c5)

http://www.keysew.com/Webpages/DemoImages/S68Cutaway.jpg (http://www.keysew.com/Webpages/DemoImages/S68Cutaway.jpg)

On an unrelated note...I'm starting to sell swing away roller/edge guides, custom installed on specific machine models.  I was wondering what, if any intrest, there would be for items like these.

(http://store.keysew.com/content/187022/Parts/SewingParts/MAH-15200A0Photo.jpg)

You can kindly view larger image of them here; http://store.keysew.com/parts/sewing-parts/juki-mah-152010a0-suspended-edge-guide (http://store.keysew.com/parts/sewing-parts/juki-mah-152010a0-suspended-edge-guide)

Again, this is for 'just about' any model machine, as almost every machine will install differently.
Title: Re: welt foot
Post by: Mojo on April 02, 2012, 03:39:11 pm
Greg:

That roller guide thingie looks cool as hell. I would love to see one in action. :)

Chris
Title: Re: welt foot
Post by: Vtool on April 03, 2012, 12:25:42 am
thanks to everyone for the input. my comment about garbage comes from a purchase of webbing pliers. they were made of cheap metal and when I used. they broke in my hand and left a nasty gouge. I have since purchased a pair of cs osbourne.
Title: Re: welt foot
Post by: Mojo on April 03, 2012, 11:27:53 am
From everything I have learned and heard from vendors, there are just a couple manufacturers of aftermarket chrome welt feet in the world and they are located in China. Greg, Bob, AM Industrial, Andrew, etc. ultimately end up getting their feet from the same source. They may get them from different distributors but they are all made in the same factory from what I was told.

So what it comes down to in the end is price and customer service. That is why I will buy from Bob from now on. I can have him check the foot on a machine in his store before he mails it to ensure it fits and is correct and lines up right. I am sure Greg would do the same thing if you asked him. AM Industrial doesn't give a rats rear end, they just ship it. If you have a problem they ship you another one for free with an apology - no questions asked.

I would be very pissed off if I have to waste my time and money shipping back an $ 18 welt foot that doesn't line up properly or is to thick and needs to be ground not to mention having to wait around for a new one.

Chris
Title: Re: welt foot
Post by: ahkahn on April 03, 2012, 01:35:56 pm
Mojo,

You're probably correct.  That happens with most everything we distribute, which is why we are always constantly working hard to improve every aspect of our customer service. 

-Andrew
Title: Re: welt foot
Post by: scarab29 on April 04, 2012, 07:35:01 pm
The first welt foot I bought I got from one of the online discount vendors I'm sure everyone here knows. P O S . and it was chrome . I have bought some parts from Keystone here and have been happy with the parts and Gregs suggestions. The last welt foot I bought was from Greg and I opted for a foot with the back cut out , helps with the turns.
Title: Re: welt foot
Post by: kodydog on April 05, 2012, 02:11:45 am
Quote from: Gregg @ Keystone Sewing on April 02, 2012, 02:42:02 pm
On an unrelated note...I'm starting to sell swing away roller/edge guides, custom installed on specific machine models.  I was wondering what, if any intrest, there would be for items like these.

(http://store.keysew.com/content/187022/Parts/SewingParts/MAH-15200A0Photo.jpg)

You can kindly view larger image of them here; http://store.keysew.com/parts/sewing-parts/juki-mah-152010a0-suspended-edge-guide (http://store.keysew.com/parts/sewing-parts/juki-mah-152010a0-suspended-edge-guide)

Again, this is for 'just about' any model machine, as almost every machine will install differently.


Looks really cool but at the risk of sounding ignorant what does it do. I looked at the link and still can't figure it out. You said its unrelated so I guess it has nothing to do with welt feet. Could it help to keep a straight seam on top stitch?
Title: Re: welt foot
Post by: lc on April 05, 2012, 02:57:46 am

I am in disbelief !! I went to our local sewing distributor for welting feet for my new Juki ..in which I bought from him for I think was around 3200 dollars 5 yrs ago and he was quoting me around 400  for the set of the feet...then I called a place an hour north of here and he said 75 for the set. ., I ordered them but grrrr!! what the heck !!
I know most of you can fix your own machines ., I had this same local guy come and repair my juki tension problems breaking thread etc.  90 bucks for a few minutes..my husband watched what he did and after that he figured out how to trouble shoot my machine himself. I  feel so gullible at times.
Title: Re: welt foot
Post by: kodydog on April 05, 2012, 12:55:49 pm
When your machine is not working you gotta pay their price, unless you can find a cheaper repair guy to do it. Good repair guys are getting harder to find.

Usually when my machine acts up I need it fixed right now. Can't wait for the repair guy. So I always try to fix it myself.

If you hubby is mechanically inclined there are downloadable shop manuals. Do you have one?

Title: Re: welt foot
Post by: Mojo on April 05, 2012, 01:24:23 pm
Elsie:

I do all my own repairs. The Tuffsew machine I owned needed daily repairs because it was such a POS. But I will say that machine taught me a great deal.

My machine repairman and dealer is 1,000 miles from me so I do all the repairs myself. I do have a machine repair guy near me but don't trust him as he main focus is on Suzy Homemaker machines.
When I have a problem I call Bob Kovar and explain what it is doing and he then talks me through the repair process. I cannot say this enough - buy your machines from a solid and reputable dealer who will be there for you in the event of a problem.

Over the years I have learned a great deal about machines and it really helps. Thankfully my Chandler and Juki rarely if ever give me a problem.

I bet your husband could fix a great deal of problems with your machine. :)

Chris
Title: Re: welt foot
Post by: lc on April 05, 2012, 02:00:16 pm
I have the manual that came with it but no repair manual ., my husband isn't a sewer but he sure figured out the basics while repairing it.
Maybe I can find one to download my Juki baby is a 1508 N.
The last time the guy came to repair it ..it was still acting up so them my guy went over it and it worked much better. I must say I did like the old Juki I was using where I had worked before .I like the fact they have the larger bobbins. Theres another thread ..wishing we had an endless bobbin supply. 

There is nothing worse than a downed machine..these babies are our milk and bread
Title: Re: welt foot
Post by: Gregg @ Keystone Sewing on April 09, 2012, 02:18:57 pm
Quote from: kodydog on April 05, 2012, 02:11:45 am
Looks really cool but at the risk of sounding ignorant what does it do. I looked at the link and still can't figure it out.


No way, my fault.  I guess now as I look at it again, how would anybody be able to guess what this is supposed to do?!@  I have to do a better job of explaining things like this.  I get so caught up in the technical aspects of things that I think I'm on the same page with everybody, when in fact nobody knows what I'm talking about!

I've added a youtube to my prodcut pages for this item, thanks for bringing this issue up!

See my hot new video here; http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6PkUWdLCKoo&feature=plcp&context=C4522329VDvjVQa1PpcFM0-CeajTTgjdX_pCkawFjz6cq2B3gI0-c%3D (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6PkUWdLCKoo&feature=plcp&context=C4522329VDvjVQa1PpcFM0-CeajTTgjdX_pCkawFjz6cq2B3gI0-c%3D)
Title: Re: welt foot
Post by: sofadoc on April 10, 2012, 12:24:47 am
What specific use is it designed for? I see that it feeds a stiff piece of leather very well, but what task is the roller performing? Is it just a rolling seam guide?
I'm not trying to be a contrarian here, just trying to understand this gadgety gadget. Does it have any practical purpose in the couch biz?
Title: Re: welt foot
Post by: Gregg @ Keystone Sewing on April 10, 2012, 03:22:13 pm
Quote from: sofadoc on April 10, 2012, 12:24:47 am
What specific use is it designed for? I see that it feeds a stiff piece of leather very well, but what task is the roller performing? Is it just a rolling seam guide?
I'm not trying to be a contrarian here, just trying to understand this gadgety gadget. Does it have any practical purpose in the couch biz?


Again, thanks for the questions.  This is how learn what people are thinking but may not be asking.

As for practical, and the couch biz, that's for you to decided.  Roller and edge guides are very common for lots of operations that sewers.  Roller and edge guides have always been popular items that we sell.